ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[holahouze]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya i have no idea, just going with what makes sense to me based on what I know. I think its going to come down to Danny (Fire) + Jon (Ice) kicking ass against the white walkers and taking back the throne together.

I don't know if Jon and Dany will wind up on the same side. I don't know if the white walkers are the bad guys. Got to hear both sides...

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://youtu.be/v9Mp8MzAjAY (Youre Welcome)


audio books, or youtube. listen while you do other things [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is a cool video. Never searched for anything like that. Thanks.

[Sirken]

omg, i just thought of something.

we know the 3 eyed raven ( aka Bloodraven, aka Brynden Rivers), and Bittersteel (aka Aegor Rivers) never got along, and that Bittersteel had a special loathing for Bloodraven, and Bloodraven's mother. we know that Bittersteel went on to form the Golden Company in Essos, and that when he died, he had them boil the flesh off his skull and dip it in gold, and then carry it before them when they cross the narrow sea to retake Westeros.

soo, fast forward 80-82 years to book 5 - Tyrion and Illyrio are chatting and the halfman asks Illyrio point blank how he got the Golden Company to break its contract with Myr, and Illyrio tells him that some contracts are written in ink and other contracts are written in blood. Tyrion reminds Illyrio that the Golden Company has been fighting the Targs for 80 years, and how on earth Illyrio got them to support and fight for a Targaryen, to which Illyrio tells him black or red, a dragon is still a dragon. sooo, a red dragon is Targaryen, and the black dragon is Blackfyre but both share the blood of King Aegon IV.

(let's completely ignore the "young griff is a blackfyre" implications and theories for a bit, and stay focused like a deathray.)

BUT THEN we find out the Golden Company is sick of Illyrio's constantly changing plan (first Viserys was supposed to bring 50k dothraki, then it was suppose to be Daenarys, then they were supposed to meet Dany in Volantis, but she decided to stay in Mereen), and they decide to swear allegiance to young griff, and then sail with Connington and young griff to the Stormlands in Westeros and take over Griffin's Roost, Greenstone, Rain House, and Crows Nest, and we learn towards the end of book 5 their next target is the Baratheon seat of Storm's End.

AND THIS is why i now think Bloodraven and Dany can work together. the only reason Bloodraven would ever ever ever have cause to help a Targaryen like Dany, would be if it was to prevent Bittersteel's sellsword company from placing someone on the iron throne, and to prevent the Golden Company from essentially winning the game of thrones.

that being said, whitewalkers and shit. i get that Bloodraven is very busy this time of year.

[Patriam1066]

Wasn't blood raven a Targaryen loyalist and hand of the king during the first blackfyre rebellion? Why wouldn't he side with a true born Targ? Also, I'm not that focused I guess.... I subscribe to the theory that Aegon is a Blackfyre.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't blood raven a Targaryen loyalist and hand of the king during the first blackfyre rebellion? Why wouldn't he side with a true born Targ? Also, I'm not that focused I guess.... I subscribe to the theory that Aegon is a Blackfyre.

firstly, you failed to ignore the one thing i said to ignore. secondly, yes, but originally the Golden Company was going to help Viserys and then Daenarys, and theres no way (imo) that Bloodraven would let Bittersteel's Golden Company place their man on the throne. be it Young Griff, Viserys, or Dany. but now, they can work together, and i wont pop a blood vessel in my brain when it happens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

firstly, you failed to ignore the one thing i said to ignore. secondly, yes, but originally the Golden Company was going to help Viserys and then Daenarys, and theres no way (imo) that Bloodraven would let Bittersteel's Golden Company place their man on the throne. be it Young Griff, Viserys, or Dany. but now, they can work together, and i wont pop a blood vessel in my brain when it happens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha, yeah dude, I had to ignore it. My focus wasn't strong enough.

AS FOR THE OTHER STUFF, I never understood what Illyrio / Golden Company / Varys were doing with Viserys and Dany. Once Aegon was revealed, and assuming he is both Illyrio's son and a Blackfyre, it seems to me that using Viserys / Dany to conquer Westeros was just a means to an end: that end being elevating "Aegon" to the throne. If he were indeed Aegon, his claim would be stronger than Dany's (plus built in support from Dorne and an opportunity to marry him to Arianne). Anyway, that's the only thing that makes even remote sense to me. I realize its based on many assumptions that are probably untrue.

As for Bloodraven, I definitely think he's more concerned with what's going on up north. True, I doubt he'd allow the Golden Company to place a Blackfyre pretender on the throne, but I can't imagine he'd care about Dany. In fact, if he did care about the Seven Kingdoms and it's Targaryen dynasty, he'd probably support her claim. Hopefully he isn't still bitter about Aegor Rivers. Regardless, I think whatever role he'll be playing up north will take up all of his time.

The better question is, why would the Golden Company support a Red dragon? That part is complete BS. Which is pretty much why I think "Aegon" is a blackfyre, until proven otherwise, and that Illyrio and Varys were always going to supplant the legit Targaryens with their fake one. They just needed the legitimacy of Viserys and Dany, who most would believe to be actual Targaryens.

[wts]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for Bloodraven, I definitely think he's more concerned with what's going on up north.

Have you watched Preston's latest tinfoil revelations? In all of Martin's Sci Fi, there is a race of hive minded borgs. Preston suspects that they're not helping Bran so much as using him since he's able to warg humans.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you watched Preston's latest tinfoil revelations? In all of Martin's Sci Fi, there is a race of hive minded borgs. Preston suspects that they're not helping Bran so much as using him since he's able to warg humans.

Lol, yeah. While being tin-foily as fuck, it does seem like GRRM has a trend there, so I'm not sure what to think. I know we can safely say that the children of the forest won't help the white walkers, but it seems like they probably aren't going to help the seven kingdoms either. Maybe they will fight alongside the northerners and the Old Gods after the wall falls? No idea, but the laundry list of hive minded Borgs that are similar to the CoTF is interesting, to say the least.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by wts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you watched Preston's latest tinfoil revelations? In all of Martin's Sci Fi, there is a race of hive minded borgs. Preston suspects that they're not helping Bran so much as using him since he's able to warg humans.

i have, and while im skeptical, i cant deny there might be something there

[Tapatio]

sirken, check PM please thanks 4 service

[Sirken]

GoT comic con panel was just meh this year imo

part1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZZ-0ShIYZc
part2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAvdnC1wDr0