ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can they be in the right for stabbing Jon to death over gathering brothers to fight the Bolton's. That's pretty much the same exact thing as not agreeing with him about the wildlings. Anyways, my gripe is that it was painfully obvious to everyone that Jon was right about the white walkers and that even Jon didn't wanna have to join forces with the wildlings but knew there was no real choice.

Not to mention a lot of people saw him single handedly kill a white walker and they know the dude knows how to fight. Knowing there's an army of undead coming for you, you'd think you'd want as many people like Jon on your side as you can get. It's not like killing Jon some how gets rid of all of the wildlings that are still there so wtf was the point really?

no. no its not. the brothers of the nights watch do not involve themselves with the wars of men (ie: Stannis vs Roose), they do however protect the realm of men, lets say from, f'ing undead frozen ice zombies (whitewalkers). you dont save the wildlings and they get killed and turned into wights/others (ie: zombies), and the realm of men could very well perish. there is an absolutely huge difference there.

in the show there was no point. the nights watch was all butt hurt and they killed him. they should all be executed for being traitors. in the book jon tries rallying them to fight against Roose, that is a cardinal sin, and that makes jon a traitor to the watch, and should have been executed.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my big issue is this. in the book, the nightswatch is in the right for stabbing jon. hes not allowed to gather up his brothers to fight the boltons. but in the show, the brothers were just salty over the wildlings. that is not ok. they didnt end jon "for the watch", they did it because they didnt agree with him. dumb.

sansa will be fine.

pretty cool how they worked stannis's scene to make you wonder if hes dead or not.

not horrible, but far from the best finale. as a whole the season moved real slow, reminded me a lot of book 4.

I pretty much agree with all of this. Although definitely not the best, this season wasn't horrible. It was just awfully paced (plate tectonics comes to mind), which makes it seem worse than it actually was.

I do, however, think some of the original plot needed work. Stannis TWICE gets caught unaware because he doesn't employ sentries and scouts. That makes absolutely no sense. The Meereen story had an even bigger plot hole. There's a massive regicidal insurrection in the fighting pits, and the next time we see the city Varys and Tyrion are overlooking a scene of relative tranquility? I'm sorry, but unless Drogon was hovering above, those people would be in open revolt right now. Or maybe they're happier with slave soldiers led a foreign dwarf ruling them.... (I realize there was a similar situation in the books)

I'm being captious, but honestly I didn't mind the season other than the pace and the above gripes. I agree with you that they looked like petty, treasonous ass holes for killing Jon that way. In the books, he was essentially deserting the watch. The penalty for that is ALWAYS death. In the show, Olly should've stabbed him alone. Would've made more sense.

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty cool how they worked stannis's scene to make you wonder if hes dead or not.

that was a nice jumpcut

ramsay = "evil" for picking off wounded, straggling soldiers.

brienne = "good" yet is executing an immobilized and badly wounded stannis.

getting real tired of brienne's shit personally.

[Nads]

My brother's been begging me to start watching this show again. Years ago I started watching but got to like episode 5 of the first season before I had to head back to college for the semester. This past week some shit happened irl and I had no motivation to do anything this weekend, so I said what the hell....

Now on episode 2 of season 3..i can't stop watching!

[Eldon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FGT7NzqDRU

[LoliPops]

felt rushed, only parts I loved were
Tyrion & Varys's excellent Meereen adventure
Cersei's Shame, SHAME
SHAME

wud bang

[Tapatio]

Very upset with recent developments

[Skittlez]

Stannis isn't dead. George told me himself on the phone?

[Rararboker]

I'd vote on him being alive too. Very few instances in GoT have they not shown the details of a kill. Feels like there was a purpose to making it ambiguous otherwise we would have seen his head roll.

[holahouze]

It’s been a bumpy journey, but the season has ended with many of the key characters where they were (or appeared headed) in the books. A lot of progress packed into the last 3 episodes. If Martin can’t sort out his writing constipation, next season will be a free-for-all.

The storyline of Jon’s assassination is troublesome in-show. And, the lines tossed our way from Thorne, Jon, and Sam do little more than foreshadow his death. If the events of Hardhome do not scare the brothers of NW straight, then they themselves are on shaky ground in protecting the realms of men. This is Harry Potter quality story-telling to me. I was also bothered by the timing of decision to send Sam to Oldtown. This had to be done BEFORE the threat of the Others was understood, because the wall could fall before he even reaches the Citadel. And… no Ghost. I much prefer the warging theory to the Mel resurrection.

Of course, a similar beef could be had with the books. The NW has been ignored by the realms of men for decades, and given the growing threat of the Others, they have to do something different. Forming alliances is one of the few, if only, avenues. I really respected the Jon character for this, but the brothers are blind to it. The NW has needed a proper house-cleaning for some time, and its coming. Perhaps that is the point.

Stannis effectively committed suicide. The storytellers/narrators misled us about him being a great military commander -- out-flanked and out-fought by Tyrion and Ramsay. What a letdown. But they never told us he was intelligent, savvy, or emotionally strong. Wonder what the Iron Bank took as collateral?? What are the odds that Brienne spared him?

I don’t find Cersei’s shame walk all that humiliating. What does she care about small folks’ opinions of her? I will say, that was a whole lot of full frontal from a lead actress.

Guess we’re going to get that war between Dorne and King’s Landing. This makes Doran look like an idiot. I vote for a 1:1 between Cersei and Ellaria – none of this “champion” stuff.

That was a hellacious jump for Sansa and Theon. Where do they go once they dig themselves out of the snow bank??

If you find yourself having some fantasy/magic withdrawal, the BBC has launched Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell. The book was very interesting, and the BBC did a good job with the first episode.