FTE is Fing stupid

[Heebo]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea actually I know exactly what it means, which is why I used it in my post. When you make blanket statements like "only 3 FTE Disputes ever" the implication is that since there are so few, it must be a good rule. Choosing to jump to a simplistic conclusion based on limited data. When in fact, since apparently this has to be spelled out, there are no more FTE petitions because no one else on the server wants to reduce themselves to the shitbag level of TMO. It may be the easiest solution, and yes, I do mostly believe this was chosen because of its high level of simplicity to the server staff as well as irrefutable "absolute" solution to any situation. That does not make it a good solution.



I never said I know better than everyone, but your implication that I know nothing and you have already had every possible idea that I could ever have and dismiss me out of hand. All anyone not TMO in this thread has said is that FTE sucks, and every response you have is full of seething condescension and self-importance, like how dare these plebs question me?! Frankly I know you are an unpaid customer service rep.. but you do know that ultimately all your "power" here is bestowed in effort to help the server and encourage its growth and success. I don't think you can fix all the problems, however, the entire "not-TMO" population of the server thinks there needs to be some reform, and the staff and TMO forumtards are the only ones that argue against it. India, whoever the fuck that is, in a few responses here kinda implied that the "majority" was only applicable to "the raiding majority" in that case you could posture that TMO is like 90% of "the majority" and hence, this solution is a great one since they are fat happy loot babies. But by everyone else's standards it blows.

Honestly if you are going to say that you have no interest in bringing something more equitable than the current rule set to the server than you might as well take the gloves off and open up training and everything else and let a true competition begin. Everyone talks a good game about competition, let guerilla tactics enter the fray so the underdogs at least have a fighting chance of leveling the playing field. TMO has created a situation that makes competition nearly impossible and is supported by a rule system that perpetuates their grip on power and a staff that tells anyone that even asks about changing it to go fuck themselves.

Your solution is to introduce training into the raid scene? You are so fucking dumb, not that it wouldn't be fun to blow up your 100 man juggs raids.

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea actually I know exactly what it means, which is why I used it in my post. When you make blanket statements like "only 3 FTE Disputes ever" the implication is that since there are so few, it must be a good rule. Choosing to jump to a simplistic conclusion based on limited data. When in fact, since apparently this has to be spelled out, there are no more FTE petitions because no one else on the server wants to reduce themselves to the shitbag level of TMO. It may be the easiest solution, and yes, I do mostly believe this was chosen because of its high level of simplicity to the server staff as well as irrefutable "absolute" solution to any situation. That does not make it a good solution.



I never said I know better than everyone, but your implication that I know nothing and you have already had every possible idea that I could ever have and dismiss me out of hand. All anyone not TMO in this thread has said is that FTE sucks, and every response you have is full of seething condescension and self-importance, like how dare these plebs question me?! Frankly I know you are an unpaid customer service rep.. but you do know that ultimately all your "power" here is bestowed in effort to help the server and encourage its growth and success. I don't think you can fix all the problems, however, the entire "not-TMO" population of the server thinks there needs to be some reform, and the staff and TMO forumtards are the only ones that argue against it. India, whoever the fuck that is, in a few responses here kinda implied that the "majority" was only applicable to "the raiding majority" in that case you could posture that TMO is like 90% of "the majority" and hence, this solution is a great one since they are fat happy loot babies. But by everyone else's standards it blows.

Honestly if you are going to say that you have no interest in bringing something more equitable than the current rule set to the server than you might as well take the gloves off and open up training and everything else and let a true competition begin. Everyone talks a good game about competition, let guerilla tactics enter the fray so the underdogs at least have a fighting chance of leveling the playing field. TMO has created a situation that makes competition nearly impossible and is supported by a rule system that perpetuates their grip on power and a staff that tells anyone that even asks about changing it to go fuck themselves.

It doesn't matter what system they put in TMO will still win, and you will still complain.

If you are talking equality. TMO gets kills equal to their effort. This is a very fair system you guys are just too lazy, and to dependent on hand outs.

[Arkanjil]

The P99 raid scene is pretty much how it went on Fennin Ro, where TMO was founded. This is nothing new for us.

[falkun]

Outside of resist gear, Guts for epic, and SS legs, I have very little to look forward to in the raiding game. I still make every raid target I can and enjoy pulling Kunark dragons, kiting/training Fear for Draco/CT, etc. I'll stop attempting to speak on TMO's behalf lest I misrepresent them as a non member, but even if I were fully geared, I'd still raid, probably as the bard (and not gear up more than 1 alt) because bards are super important to the raid scene and they have tons of skills to master (not in-game abilities, but the ability to play the class well).

How is that so difficult to comprehend? Raiding is fun, fair competition is fun. But when you know you are beat, but you still lawyer for the win, that's where I run into issues.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is that so difficult to comprehend? Raiding is fun, fair competition is fun. But when you know you are beat, but you still lawyer for the win, that's where I run into issues.

Oh, no no no. Don't get all "How is this so hard for you to understand?" with me.

YOU are the one who said that TMO would raid JUST because they want to block everyone else from raiding. I questioned that a couple of times because it sounded like little more than a vengeful comment from someone who's on the losing end of things.

And now you are switching tunes to "I raid cause it's fun in and of itself" and acting like I'm dense for not understanding that raiding sans pixels/spite can be fun, when that is actually just redirecting the conversation to something else after you decided you don't want to claim to know what is on TMO's collective minds anymore.

PLUS you're throwing more vengeful comments at TMO even though there is no place in this immediate discussion for accusations of rule lawyering.


Just admit that you're blinded by your hatred for TMO and that they aren't actually out to get you (well except that they might actually be out to get YOU), but that they raid for the same reasons everyone else does: raiding, winning at raiding, and getting loot from raiding. They just seem to be more interested in those 3 things than anyone else on the server, so they end up with the vast majority of the raiding, wins, and loot.

[Toehammer]

itt:
1) A BDA member proposes a rotation. BDA wants a more friendly server, but they really can't "compete". By compete I mean recruit players from across the world to curbstomp 13 year old AI and track 24/7.
2) TMO does not want a rotation; this will never change. When they are losing they just get mad, and then get even... usually by rules lawyering, sometimes legit though! They love to "win". By win I mean kill the same stuff over and over to gear up whomever is cycling through their guild.
3) X pages of TMO trolling (thanks quido!) trying to get it moved to RnF.
4) BDA and other people trying to salvage something constructive from something broken. (This is the overall metaphor for the entire raid scene, not just this thread)

It is good to see that the server is as healthy as always. I love Blue99, but don't forget, you can play both Blue and Red at the same time... and none of this drama exists on Red.

Doesn't the cycle ever get tiring? From both sides?

[quido]

You're welcome, dumbass.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, no no no. Don't get all "How is this so hard for you to understand?" with me.

YOU are the one who said that TMO would raid JUST because they want to block everyone else from raiding. I questioned that a couple of times because it sounded like little more than a vengeful comment from someone who's on the losing end of things.

I know you want to focus on "just", but let me highlight the true emphasis of the relevant post:

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not a member, but in my experience raiding against them, they'd do it just for the lolz of denying the kill to others. They want the competition, it keeps them sharp and focused. Gives them the "thrill of the hunt." But they never said anything about "fair" or "even" competition.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And now you are switching tunes to "I raid cause it's fun in and of itself" and acting like I'm dense for not understanding that raiding sans pixels/spite can be fun, when that is actually just redirecting the conversation to something else after you decided you don't want to claim to know what is on TMO's collective minds anymore.

I apparently need to remind you that Everquest is a game. I would hope anyone playing it, TMO, myself, yourself, and R. A. Salvatore, are all playing it for fun, "sans pixels and spite." If the only reason I logged on was to train TMO, I'd walk away from the game. I also don't know whats on TMO's collective minds, I prefaced every post stating I was not a member. But, in my experience raiding against them, and believing some of the things their members post (even Alarti for whatever that's worth), I believe they don't raid for pixels. As one of their members stated, the pixels are a byproduct of their efforts.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PLUS you're throwing more vengeful comments at TMO even though there is no place in this immediate discussion for accusations of rule lawyering.

Yup, I've added extra remarks that are vitriolic in nature and do not forward the OP. Pot > kettle > black.

By the way, when I hit "quote" for your latest post, you had apparently edited this out but it was recovered by the server for me to read:

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just admit that you're blinded by your hatred for TMO and that they aren't actually out to get you (well except that they might actually be out to get YOU), but that they raid for the same reasons everyone else does: raiding, winning at raiding, and getting loot from raiding. They just seem to be more interested in those 3 things than anyone else on the server, so they end up with the vast majority of the raiding, wins, and loot.

I honestly don't care if you believe me one way or the other, but there are many people who still play on this server, and quite a few that have left, that have a more seething fury against TMO than I. If I had a blind hatred for TMO, do you think I'd post this:

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, TMO is a guild founded on server domination. They have acquired the pixels and endless stream of characters that elevates the entry requirements into the raid scene arena. They're like the Yankees, except their salary cap is even higher than that of the Yankee's and their competition is all sitting around the $100mil mark.

Honestly, they've busted their collective asses and now they are sitting high atop the mountain with their laurels. They expect, arguably rightfully so, for any competition to usurp them as they usurped their predecessors. However, the fortress they've built is larger than the fortress they defeated, which is an honest defense technique, but makes their claims for competition hollow.

My only gripe is with the "new guard" of TMO, who didn't put in the collective work that the old guard did and yet still feels the right to look down upon the rest of the server. Both parties know who they are.

Personally, it sounds like I have respect for the old guard of TMO. If you don't see it that way, that is your prerogative.

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also don't know whats on TMO's collective minds, I prefaced every post stating I was not a member.

Oh I get it, its like when someone preface's a statement with "no offense" and then say something highly offensive.

No offense, but you are an idiot.

[suptoofs]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh I get it, its like when someone preface's a statement with "no offense" and then say something highly offensive.

No offense, but you are an idiot.

Why do you speak? You literally have nothing ever constructive to say.