Game Mechanics: Game breaking raid issue: Sirran the Lunatic

[Nirgon]

Here's the patch I recall that fixes charm on Sirran and other mobs..

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000428.html

Corrected a bug with "Song of the Sirens" that caused an unintended level-cap to affect the spell. Bards should now be able to charm everything that they once could with this spell.

This fits the time line matching what I remember. The fact that he is able to be hit with dictate here is very much incorrect and I don't see where anyone posted any evidence anywhere that dictate should land!!

Here's why you don't see it in a patch note IE SoE/Verant policy (see risk and reward):

Though it is not our policy to announce changes to individual NPCs, we did want to let you know that you will see risk/reward disparities corrected over the next several weeks.

[Nizzarr]

I havent read much of this thread -- I was guilded with the first 60 enchanter on live, we used dictate on sirran once to get the world first? overseer of air kill. It was patched the next day and he was flagged uncharmable.

my 2 cents

[Nirgon]

Here's more evidence from people who remember and it fits the bard charm being broken change:

http://www.********.org/forums/145532-post116.html

F-O-H-G-U-I-L-D <- this was referenced before.. mod pls handle if I'm being a bad boy some how

Sirran was killed...back when bard charm was fucked up ;p

Key Master shouts, 'Sirran the Lunatic!!"

I believe I have solved the puzzle. Briefly charmable by bards and does death touch!

Thank you Nizzar. He should be flagged as uncharmable asap and death touch -- both changes should apply to the Keymaster as well.

As I was on Rallos Zek, we were behind the blue servers. However, we raided plane of sky and the raids I attended had no charming of Sirran. What my raids DID have were people using the Thurgadin claw quest BFG thing to jump across islands. I will be happy to share that nugget of wisdom in my detail at the opening of Velious if anyone nicely PMs me asking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Just saying, trust me, they would have taken advantage of that if it existed and this was mid-end of Kunark and early Velious (hence I mention the BFG claw).

WTB Nilbog response.

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This fits the time line matching what I remember. The fact that he is able to be hit with dictate here is very much incorrect and I don't see where anyone posted any evidence anywhere that dictate should land!!

Evidence previously posted shows otherwise.

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Update:

The Keymaster AND Sirran were charmable for the same period of time (this will REALLY make things easy..).

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Here's something else from Everlore: Level Range 60 / 63

Given that Sirran was flagged as a death touch NPC and his listed level during the Kunark time line.. this is why I made the above claims in this thread.

The date of your everlore post is July 8, 2001, which is half way through Velious which is after the planar revamp.
Expansion Timeline.

I do not deny the fact he was CHANGED, during the revamp, but during Kunark he was charmable.

[Nirgon]

Well he should be bard charmable and not enchanter charmable then. Song of the siren is the one that did this for the long stretch until Velious.

He and the Keymaster, then, should also both be BARD CHARMABLE ONLY with SONG OF THE SIREN and also DEATH TOUCH.

Glad we all got to the bottom of this [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. And, in turn, it makes raiding plane of sky quite easier but is classic by time line (whether or not this shit is crazy and unintended!).

[Qriptoniq]

Still waiting for this to be fixed.

I recall raiding with my guild on Druzzil Ro, <House of the Crimson Rose>, back in the day and being unable to charm him with Dictate. However, we had this awesome Bard named Songbird who would charm him and carry him all over PoSky with us. I can recall with certainty, furthermore, that he would DT, seeing as we were ALWAYS having to hand out resurrections to poor Songbird. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm quite surprised, due to the overwhelming evidence provided, that great Sir Nilbog has not restored this to a Classic™ version!

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Qriptoniq [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still waiting for this to be fixed.

I recall raiding with my guild on Druzzil Ro, <House of the Crimson Rose>, back in the day and being unable to charm him with Dictate. However, we had this awesome Bard named Songbird who would charm him and carry him all over PoSky with us. I can recall with certainty, furthermore, that he would DT, seeing as we were ALWAYS having to hand out resurrections to poor Songbird. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm quite surprised, due to the overwhelming evidence provided, that great Sir Nilbog has not restored this to a Classic™ version!

Thanks.


More, source:

When the princess is slain, a MOB you’ll come to know and love
spawns in her place, a halfling called Sirran the Lunatic (level 63).
Sirran The Lunatic, like the Key Master, should never be attacked. He hits for 2000+ and death
touches so you’ll pretty much be dead before you can say “mommy”.

Also, pretty please fix Bzazzt...

I have to say this Plane of Sky is really bad ass and worth a read through for anyone trying to make it more classic.

It also notes how the Eye of Veeshan should work correctly:

She hits for around 170, procs an
efreeti DD on almost every hit and also Death Touches.

Please fix up EoV, Sirran (insane.. come on..) and bee quadding.

I'm sure people will contend that RZ didn't kill any raid bosses because we had no clue what we were doing raid organization wise (sleeper much?), but the truth is, we had people fully geared up and did clear this content. I've combed through this guide and its absolutely written by someone March 2001 (fairly early Velious imo) and also by someone who knows what the hell they're talking about.


More on dictate, source:

This is completely unresistable, expcept for dragons, gods, and mobs immune to magic. It will work on anything besides those that is level 58 or below.

Again from the above:

a halfling called Sirran the Lunatic (level 63).

Please help us make Plane of Sky the classic raid zone it was during live. Plane of Hate feels classic as hell and is very awesome, we only need to address invis stacking and maybe some of the mobs needing to see invis there.

[Nirgon]

Ah yes, quite right. It was certainly the bard sploit fixed and Sirran being charmable went away along with it.

[Splorf22]

How about you apply your zeal for classicness to providing some evidence that the other mobs in sky were charmable? Because it seems they were.

[Nirgon]

I linked a raid guide. Sorry that there's no Everlore post on this bard bug that was quickly fixed.

Nilbog started posting again maybe I'll find those posts of guys talking about Keymaster vs Sirran and shit. BTW they death touched.

Another who truly has the classic zeal is carrying the torch now. I shall follow him.