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![]() There was an obvious change to the spell system which caused this spell for malfunction for a time. Both patch notes prove this.
These 2 patch notes conclude that not only did this spell system change take effect, but also that this spell was faulty for a time. Nothing about them can ever, in any way, be taken to indicate that these spells should have a dispellable recourse. Using this as evidence or using it to try to imply it was dispellable in classic only builds great strength in my argument that an exploit is being desperately defended. Here's how this went: You suggest that because of the patch note you linked, the spell could be dispelled up until the point that note is listed as "can once again dispel". I then posted mine to make a proof against your defense by absurdity... that I clearly recall this spell's heal component working in classic but absolutely broke and required a fix as part of the spell system change. Why in my right mind would I ever try to say that this spell did not heal up until the date listed? To that same degree, why are you trying to do the same saying it should be dispellable? You are pinned here. The broken heal and the non dispellable factor are both unintended and in no way reflect the classic time line, nor do they suggest anything in regards to how it worked on live vanilla through Velious. Stop defending broken server mechanics : /. Something broke with the recourse mechanic as a result of a spell system change and was fixed.... not something went unnoticed until then. The patch note you are currently using as a defense means: its correct functionality was restored (the correct and classic mechanic -- it must hurt the necro!). Quote:
I've PM'd Zyrino (boards: Zyrin) here who won the Rallos Zek necromancer best of the best (and got pretty damned far against the overgeared bluebies) to drop his knowledge hard upon this thread. You can tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about instead, /popcorn. | |||
Last edited by Nirgon; 08-27-2012 at 04:27 PM..
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![]() More words to skim through, no evidence to evaluate. You also seem incapable of comprehending the difference between a patch note that includes the word "again" and one that does not. Your example refers to a reversion to a previous state, with Shadowbond "again" healing player characters. Neither of the other patch notes include any such language. It's not an appropriate parallel.
Please tell us all more about what you remember, it's fascinating. Surely a server of 1000+ pop should be responsive to your uncorroborated recollections. | ||
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![]() I've disproved your attempt to make unrelated patch notes valid.
Check out my dispel thread if you've got such a memory of dispell mechanics =), I could use a hand! | ||
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![]() They're clearly not unrelated as they address the topic in question. They are evidence that previous to the addressed patch, the Shadowbond spell line operated in the manner currently seen on Project 1999. You are making the totally unsupported claim that at some unidentified point prior to these patches, there was another change in gameplay (the appearance of recourse as a buff icon) that necessitated these later patches. You have not provided even a shred of evidence to suggest that any of what you say is accurate. As such, there's no reason for this issue to be discussed again.
If you want to dismiss the patch notes posted by Dentalplan and Koros as irrelevant, that's fine. That makes this entire thread a discussion of irrelevant patch notes and your irrelevant memory -- which means there is nothing to see here, and the thread should mercifully die. | ||
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![]() So I can't point out something broken? And the project manager shouldn't be like "yep missed it!"?
You realize if it wasn't broken at any point during classic, there won't be patch notes. There's probably a number of other things that happened in development that should be obvious that they couldn't quite prove. Maybe you can PM Zyrin and see what he thinks. I'd consider him to be a classic EQ necro guru. Not to mention on PvP servers, we were made or broken on our ability to dispel and know about game mechanics like these. We'd surely have tried to do something like dispel any visible recourse. You guys came cluelessly running with these patch notes that are now disproven. Consider this along with the ones I've posted to show you that using these 2003 changes as a defense exposes what you're really trying to do here. You guys seemed pretty sure.. heh. It's silly for this to be in the game right now, a 10 mana heal for 500 health.. yeah it was definitely like that in classic, sure, especially when Treats who also agrees with me recently had pick pocket fixes go in that no one else here seemed to recall. I've proved there's a spell system change and this spell was a mess and was fixed as a result, now that your champion patch notes have fallen, we result to "well there's nothing then keep it". Crazy. | ||
Last edited by Nirgon; 08-27-2012 at 06:05 PM..
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![]() Greetings,
My pal Nirgon brought this to my attention few hours ago. Nice to see people still fighting the good fight. Before I even give my opinion on this, although ya'll probably don't care I feel my history might persuade you into thinking I might know what I'm talking about. I played on Rallos Zek for 3 years, 2 of them were playing the Necromancer class, from classic to well into Velious. Rallos Zek as you may or may not know, was a PvP server. Knowing and testing these kind of things meant life or death on that server. Furthermore, not only did I play on Rallos for 3 years, I also won the Necro Best of the Best on Rallos, and placed 3rd server-wide on test. Now, with that being established: A necromancer COULD NOT I repeat, COULD NOT dispel this DEBUFF from their player character after they have the Pact line on a pet or PC. The very first time I saw this on Red99 I was truly like WTF, but was too lazy to even mention it. I remember on many accounts thinking "wow let me try to dispel this, why even bother lifetapping a mob when I don't have to lose health to heal my pet by dispelling it?" NEVER WORKED. Not only that, but participating in a BotB with many other necros both on my server and the test server not once did anybody attempt this, because it did not work. And trust me when I say, if it did, people would have used it, because the very strat I used to win the tournament was to UNDEAD DD their pet, that strat would be nullified if they could pact their pet and dispell the debuff by losing 25 mana or whatever Pact+Dispel magic came out to be it just wasn't possible, at least on PvP servers. Another thing to further illustrate my point: One of the favorite items Necro's were after was the Holgresh Elder Beads, which was a right click Eye of Zomm or some shit like that you could cast on.. for the very purpose of Vexing (or Bonds of Death) this NPC clickly to get your health back from healing your pet, and other people. They would not have been so wanted by necros if Necros could just dispell the DEBUFF Pact of Shadow puts on the necro. Hope that helps.
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![]() Hey look the necro who won the rallos zek best of the best (and who killed many many others) is telling you how it works
If they want to fix this? Fix. Otherwise, its a sad broken mess. Quote:
http://home.arcor.de/neric/BoTB%20Finals/ The prosecution rests its case. | |||
Last edited by Nirgon; 08-28-2012 at 01:28 PM..
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![]() Backed off this thread due to Ambertis coming down hard on the discussion.
However, someone who won the Rallos necro botb came in this thread and posted commentary. We're all also very well aware by now that the Luclin spell changes cropped up some bugs. The necro heal over time line in classic shouldn't have its recourse effect on the caster as a dispellable effect. Should be a quick fix. | ||
#9
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![]() this gets fixed late vel...
deal with it they should be fixing bards imho same with the items that were known bugged or not "suppose to be" that got fixed, removed here like the call of bones cleric mask... developers are doing the right thing leaving stuff like this in game till its time for its due fix again... deal with it, wont be fixed for over a year | ||
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![]() Quote:
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