You will not evade me, $name

[Akame]

Originally Posted by Adramelk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10 seconds sounds right to me, too (6 does sound fast, thinking about it some more).

Still pretty sure that at least in Classic, Kunark, and Velious at least, pretty much every mob over level 50 does summon (and that therefore it is level-based and not mob-based).

Not every mob, I certainly remember bards out kiting wvyerns, and I root rotted my fair share of wryms outside of the coldain zone. It definitely was not every mob in kunark and velious over 50, the soloists would have had a conniption fit.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Akame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not every mob, I certainly remember bards out kiting wvyerns, and I root rotted my fair share of wryms outside of the coldain zone. It definitely was not every mob in kunark and velious over 50, the soloists would have had a conniption fit.

These mobs are not over level 50.

[Akame]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These mobs are not over level 50.

Hmm, I will see if I can find some information somewhere about trash mobs in velious or kunark over 51 that do not summon then. I personally thought summoning was mostly caster, named and maybe humanoid, I just don't recall any things that can't talk (animals mostly) saying "You will not evade me!" at any point. I'm sure it would be something that stuck out in memory. Kind of like snakes that kick.

Will see what I can find!

[Akame]

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=5420

Level 61 "an ice burrower"
* HP Estimate: 38,000
* Summons: No
* Single-Target Rampages: Yes
* Enrages: Yes

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6322

Level 53 "a velium hound"

Commentary in the notes implies root rotting by druids for coldain shawl quest component farming.

Couldn't find any info confirming the same thing on 51+ animals in kunark, nor information denying it really. Mayble simply if it can't say "You will not evade me!" you probably can evade it? ;p

Sorry for the generalization, I'll try and look for better facts when I have more time.

[thxer]

51+ and 97% health. Was pretty much on ALL mobs until Luclin, they made exceptions because soloers needed to xp.

[Malrubius]

Not classic I know, but there were definitely PoP mobs around level *60* that did not summon. I spent much of my high 50s and low 60s root/charm soloing in PoT and PoV. Never was summoned. Actually, not even the occasional named mobs that I solo'd summoned.

So anyway, I'm sure that this means that there were 50+ *unnamed* mobs around in classic-Velious that did not summon. Maybe some named as well. This is also my recollection. Summoning mobs were not all that common, and the ones that did were usually avoided when soloing post-50.

Unfortunately all this means that it was indeed mob-by-mob, which makes it a pain in the butt to implement :/

I will search around for some proof.

[Branaddar]

The mechanics as far as I remember:

- Around 98-97% health the mob's summoning ability was enabled. This prevented pullers with throwies from getting summoned if their throwy landed.
- The summon has a refresh time of about 10-15 seconds (memory's hazy on that.)
- He will always summon the player on top of his hate list as soon as they are out of THE MOB'S melee range. I emphasize this because some mobs had huge hitboxes where they can still hit you but you are "too far away" to melee them.
- Raid bosses almost always had this.
- As has been said, it's kind of hit-and-miss on what raid trash or xp mobs will summon. Almost all mobs in raid zones (Kael, ToV, etc) summon.
- If a warrior is happily tanking and a wizard overnukes to gain top hate spot, or the tank dies, the mob will summon the wizard immediately if it hasn't been used in the past 10-15 seconds.
- It does not matter who does the damage or how. They just need to be on the mob's hate list for any reason. Healing, debuffs or being a ranger.

I'm sure that doesn't help a lot in discerning which mobs summon, but at least should explain HOW they do so.

Edit: Reading over the posts regarding the level of mobs that summon has me pondering a bit. I'm pretty sure when I was playing a wizard I was kiting mobs that were 51+ in pre-Luclin zones that didn't summon. I'm just drawing a blank between kiting raptors in TD and kiting in PoN. I didn't solo so much during that span of playtime, as Seb AE was hot shit at the time. I'm pretty sure there was SOMETHING I was kiting at level 60 that was still dark blue before PoP, though.

[Tallenn]

At 60 some mobs under 51 are still dark blue (in classic, that is- in live dark blue is now defined as 1-5 levels below you). I'm not sure exactly how far down it went, but it was definitely below 50. I want to say 47, but not completely sure.

The raptors in TD are below 45, except for the Vicious Raptors, which are up to 45.

[Yoite]

fetid skunks in PoM didnt summon. The bees didnt either, although the named did. those were 50+ mobs. i'll think of some more as the work day goes on =)

[Excision Rottun]

51+ animals not summoning sounds correct to me.

Here is an example of a Velious animal mob who is always lvl 52.

According to numerous posts in this thread, DOES NOT summon.

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6145


An example of some mobs 51+ summoning and some not are the neriads in Siren's Grotto

All of them are above level 51.

Of the non-named, only the "a neriad weaver" will summon.

Interestingly the "a neriad weaver" spawns as lvl 60-61 all others are mid 50s

I spent countless hours in SG farming the drum and shawl.


Shimmering Sea Spirit

Here is an example of a 51+ "named" animal mob who DOES NOT SUMMON

He is a rare spawn from the other water elementals in zone, has 2 peices of loot so I would consider him a "named"


Fellspine

Here is an example of a 51+ "named" animal mob who DOES SUMMON