Americans and Guns (post pics of your armory !)

[Daldolma]

It's absurd because we have prohibitive military might. You cannot pose an existential threat to our government. There has never been a civil war in a nuclear-armed country, and we're not just any nuclear country. We're 20 years ahead of China's military technology, which means we're 40 years ahead of whatever non-governmental resistance you're conceiving of. Your gun wouldn't mean shit.

It wouldn't be a "war". Theoretically, it would be pockets of militants being put down. In reality, it would never come to that because you'd have to be insane to enter an armed conflict with a goal of overthrowing the US government, and there simply aren't enough insane people.

[Daldolma]

I don't understand how you don't understand the gap in technology. As far as the US government is concerned, your biggest, baddest assault rifle might as well be a crossbow, a sword, or a slingshot. If they wanted you dead, they could kill you with machines and satellites from a thousand miles away.

Your gun is good for shooting up civilians and animals. That's pretty much it.

[Harmonium]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's absurd because we have prohibitive military might. You cannot pose an existential threat to our government.

I am identifying this as the backbone of your logic. To which I say a civil war would result in a split military. It wouldn't be civilians vs military. There would be military tech and personnel on both sides.

If you don't agree with me on that, then there's really no point in debating this any further.

[Daldolma]

If that were the case, then what good is your gun? Funding and armories would be split, and you'd be free to arm yourself to the teeth with modern American equipment and fight your war by traditional means. Your crap civilian weaponry would still be useless, you just might not be routed in this theoretical civil war.

(Note that I'm not actually agreeing that this type of civil war is even remotely possible, just pointing out that it doesn't serve as an impetus to stockpile guns.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If that were the case, then what good is your gun? Funding and armories would be split, and you'd be free to arm yourself to the teeth with modern American equipment and fight your war by traditional means. Your crap civilian weaponry would still be useless, you just might not be routed in this theoretical civil war.

(Note that I'm not actually agreeing that this type of civil war is even remotely possible, just pointing out that it doesn't serve as an impetus to stockpile guns.

Having guns (regardless of what they are) is better than not having any guns, regardless of who you are facing. Go back and look at history, people still fought back with less advanced weaponry better than the ones who had little to no weaponry.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having guns (regardless of what they are) is better than not having any guns, regardless of who you are facing. Go back and look at history, people still fought back with less advanced weaponry better than the ones who had little to no weaponry.

I disagree with this assessment. You're better off not fighting than attacking the US military with a musket. Your entire argument is predicated on the assumption that you're better off "fighting back".

There is no fighting back if the US government wants you dead. Whether you have a crossbow, a handgun, an assault rifle, or a fucking bazooka, you're not doing shit about an unmanned drone that wipes you out before you know it's there. This basis for having a gun is a fantasy.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree with this assessment. You're better off not fighting than attacking the US military with a musket. Your entire argument is predicated on the assumption that you're better off "fighting back".

There is no fighting back if the US government wants you dead. Whether you have a crossbow, a handgun, an assault rifle, or a fucking bazooka, you're not doing shit about an unmanned drone that wipes you out before you know it's there. This basis for having a gun is a fantasy.

Ever seen someone win without a gun? Happens all the time, its called fighting a real war instead of a pretend war.

The wars you see on TV with the big missiles and fancy robot drone ships are faught against an un-organized force taught by the CIA with 20 year old tactics.

There are more stealthy and subversive ways of overthrowing the "Power Elite" without even going after the military. You can't have jackbooted thugs if those jackbooted thugs dont get food, water, and shelter.

Guns will not win a conventional war, but are useful personal protection in many instances were a small squad of jackbooted thugs are attacking a critical target.

They are also usefull for assasination. Just as regular old fashoined bows are... a bow shot in the dark is far more effective then a loud sniper shot if you can get close to your target =P Even conventional standard issue body armor does not work so well against the peircing shape of knives and arrows.

Now I am bording on scary patriot act stuff. But it is not inconcievable that a sizeable portion of the population might wish to resist the "Govmnt". Theoretically it could be done... disrupting communications and supply lines, we would win by attrition, the soldiers would eventually just go home and join the rest of the average folk or city states or whatever while the bankers, backers and rich could not fund a sustained "Thermo-nuclear robo war".

This is why hillbillies with guns and home made knives are such a threat to the people who have the Mccaininites and Obamians by the ballz.

[Harmonium]

Stealin beat me to it. It's all about weapon proficiency. I regularly shoot the guns I own, and will perform much better with the guns I practice with than another gun even if it is superior. Besides, did you see my pic? My arsenal is pretty decent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[runlvlzero]

Double post with Internet Nazi's +5 for the win...

Also look at world war II, ever seen the movie about the sniper guys in Russia versus the "Superior" germans?

Who won that conflict, bunch of hillbilly russian farmers in buildings with hunting rifles.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0215750/ Enemy at the Gates ftw...

[Daldolma]

Can't tell if serious.