is wow the best MMORPG ever?

[hdawg06]

Population wise and longevity there is no better MMO than WoW. I really don't see anybody developing a WoW "killer" like every company seems to be trying to do. WoW will eventually kill itself off, but probably not for at least another 5 years...

[maahes]

Originally Posted by hdawg06 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Population wise and longevity there is no better MMO than WoW. I really don't see anybody developing a WoW "killer" like every company seems to be trying to do. WoW will eventually kill itself off, but probably not for at least another 5 years...

Agreed. WoW will reign as king for at least another 5 years. Before it waxes itself with its next IP or who knows maybe machine gun wielding cobra snakes.

[godbox]

dont care what anyone says (in vanilla wow at least stopped at first expansion) instances were and still are great. they were well thought out required tactics and like any good video game had a nice gear reward at the end through several mini bosses and an instance boss. It wasnt just the same strat of single pull>mez add>slow>autoattack>afkheal repeat. Almost every part of a dungeon had 3-6 mobs to deal with at a time and the AI was much better so you had to think as you moved through dungeons.
And everything being soulbound meant you were always on equal playing field with people in your level range one person wasnt going to be amazingly better geared than somone else unless they had already put in the time to do quests and instances to get geared in that lvl bracket.
I like eq (obvy since i play here) but I like a dungeon crall any day over a campfest and ive only been in a dungeon crall group one time on p99 (dalnir) was fun.

[maahes]

Originally Posted by godbox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dont care what anyone says (in vanilla wow at least stopped at first expansion) instances were and still are great. they were well thought out required tactics and like any good video game had a nice gear reward at the end through several mini bosses and an instance boss. It wasnt just the same strat of single pull>mez add>slow>autoattack>afkheal repeat. Almost every part of a dungeon had 3-6 mobs to deal with at a time and the AI was much better so you had to think as you moved through dungeons.
And everything being soulbound meant you were always on equal playing field with people in your level range one person wasnt going to be amazingly better geared than somone else unless they had already put in the time to do quests and instances to get geared in that lvl bracket.
I like eq (obvy since i play here) but I like a dungeon crall any day over a campfest and ive only been in a dungeon crall group one time on p99 (dalnir) was fun.

I am not knocking WoW at all, but I kind of disagree with each dungeon requiring a tactic. We used to zerg, zerg, zerg every dungeon in WoW. Infact people I ran with would always say "this is NOT EQ, ZERG!!!!" However, I do agree with a couple of your points. The dungeons were very well designed. (mini,mini,mini,boss) But than again, EQ dungeons used to scare the shit out of me..... which is why i miss their style of dungeon crawls.

[formallydickman]

The only time I seriously played WoW PvE was in Vanilla. I was on a pretty low pop server and banding all the guilds together to make the server's first raiding guild was an awesome experience. Nothing in Molten Core was hard, but I remember that first fight in BWL was a nightmare to orchestrate, at least for Horde. Even doing a Stratholme timed run with 5 people was tough before everyone got geared. It was good times for me.

[Kevlar]

I just had an awesome dungeon krawl in kaesora last night on Al'Kabor. 4 boxed my bard cleric warrior chanter down to the library got 3 spirit tomes and a ton of vendor loot and crawled back out. My toons are all level 35-38 in black iron armor or quested noobie gear mostly so it was challenging and fun. Especially using bard snare. Ugh I need a snare whip or an anklesmasher bad.

[godbox]

i dont count playing by urself on 4 chars might as well play final fantasy =/

[godbox]

I maybe stopped before zerg was possible. youd 5man everything except the big raid spots the 20man raids just opened up (zg I think it was called) and that was the first time it started feeling like you didnt need the whole zone full to win. First time we did ony and MC on firetree though was pretty hard even with the full 40. later as people learned you could do it smart and geared well with like 20 people I was probly long gone.

[gloine36]

Oh good grief. WoW is not half of what EQ was. All MMO's have their faults. You want the best Pvp, go play Dark Age of Camelot.
I personally think EQ2 was the best MMO from about the six month period up to the Kunark release. Unfortunately the WoW money wave got into the heads of the SOE people who valued massive amounts of money over steady profit and a good product.
Original EQ though was awesome. I think it was because it was the first real online game of its kind that I played. It held me in its thrall. Dark Age of Camelot and EQ2 did that. WoW never did.
I'll give Lord of the Rings Online a nod for good game as well, but it wasn't as good as EQ2. The ability to play music in LOTRO was a great treat.

[Atmas]

I had a lot of fun playing WoW before the battlegrounds. To this day I still think it is the most polished MMO out there. EQ had so many broken quests and buggy scripts, which was forgivable because it was a new type of venture.

But lets be honest
success =\= Best

Beta was superior quality to VHS but lost a marketing war.

In general best is a subjective thing. I think WoW is the best at what it is intended to be now, a wide range appealing MMO that caters to very casual players. EQ imo was much more immersive.