A Concerned Citizen Writes...

[Galaa]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The one time this has happened recently, TMO killed VS, Trak, CT (and draco), Inny (and maestro), Fay, Gore, and all of VP.

That's 14 (out of like 18? unless you count chardok and sky and hole) raid targets, inlcuding the 10+ most valuable ones.

And I guarantee you that if this started happening more often, let alone if these repops were scheduled beforehand, TMO could/would organize in such a way that would get them even more of those targets.


Don't think that I'm talking smack, because I'm not. I'm just pointing out that this whole "20 raid targets up at once is going to mean the little guys kill half of the mobs!" thing is total hogwash. The little guys would have more of a shot of killing something than they do now (short of poopsocking), but server repops will hardly stop 1 or 2 guilds from almost totally dominating the raid scene.

Its still MUCH better than what we have right now. If there's a scheduled maintenance every week, and everyone knows that raid mobs will be up right after the maintenance, they will be able to plan for it beforehand, and get ready to raid them as soon as the server comes up. Infact, with this "maintenance" system, as time goes by, smaller guilds can even make alliances to raid, as they know the exact time that the server is coming up. Once more guilds get used to making alliances to raid (made easy due to a fixed date/timing of spawns therefore less coordination problem), it will be even harder for big guilds to dominate spawns anymore. So in the big picture, this will still benefit the smaller guilds, as well as more players, on the whole.

Unless there's a guild which is large enough to simultaneously camp and kill ALL raid targets at the same time as soon as server up (which will mean a guild has to have more than 200 high level players at the same time in order to achieve killing all raid targets at one go).

Hope the devs can give this suggestion some though. It certainly is better than what we have right now in our server.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The one time this has happened recently, TMO killed VS, Trak, CT (and draco), Inny (and maestro), Fay, Gore, and all of VP.

That's 14 (out of like 18? unless you count chardok and sky and hole) raid targets, inlcuding the 10+ most valuable ones.

And I guarantee you that if this started happening more often, let alone if these repops were scheduled beforehand, TMO could/would organize in such a way that would get them even more of those targets.


Don't think that I'm talking smack, because I'm not. I'm just pointing out that this whole "20 raid targets up at once is going to mean the little guys kill half of the mobs!" thing is total hogwash. The little guys would have more of a shot of killing something than they do now (short of poopsocking), but server repops will hardly stop 1 or 2 guilds from almost totally dominating the raid scene.

Let's say that the server reboot takes 30 minutes. Taken/Divinity/BDA all send out batphones because 1x/week batphone really isn't so bad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] With 30 minutes people can clean up their RL activities and be ready.

TMO logs in with 70 people (hello new recruiting spree!) and splits their forces Maestro/Inny 20] and VS [15] and Cazic Thule/Draco [35] which are all easy kills and drop nice epic pieces while sending Zeelot to train anyone who dares to enter VP.

Meanwhile VD has logged out their mains at the ledge; they log on and leisurely kill Trakanon. BDA gets Talendor and Taken/Divinity grab Sev.

TMO splits again and port/gates back to DL for Gorenaire, which they get 5 minutes before the other guilds can finish buffing, while logging in precamped alts to get Fay. VD logs on the alt squad to get Vox, TMO logs on the (other) alt squad to get Nagafen (it's funny to me how that level restriction actually makes it harder for casual guilds to kill these dragons on P1999).

Zeelot is still vigorously guarding VP, and TMO now goes to kill those 6 dragons. Everyone else wipes out the epic mobs and goes home.

I think that's pretty reasonable, and by that count, TMO: 14, VD: 2, BDA: 1, Taken/Divinity: 1. In comparison, with the current system it's more like TMO: 17, VD: 1, everyone else, 0. And if Rogean decided to extend no training rules to VP, that count would equalize even more - probably TMO would still go for the Hate/Fear/KC split, which means VD would get Phara Dar and maybe another VP dragon or two. Plus, who knows, maybe Divinity decides to break the script and camp out for Venril . . . .

Anyway I'm just rambling here, but my point is this looks a lot more interesting and equitable than the current system to me.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Change the way raid mobs are spawned.

In classic, every patch day and maintenance day resets the raid mobs, thus all of them will spawn at once. As such, its impossible for 1 or 2 guilds to dominate all raid mobs, giving a chance for the smaller guilds to have a go at the leftovers.

wont change a thing, it would happen prime time on weekends and one guild will still take 99% of the mobs.

[Excellio]

This is why I don't want to reach level 50+. Just trying to find a good place to xp at 40 (solo or group) is too much work, so I doubt I'll ever reach level 41, but I will still continue to play my character all the time because it's a fun experience, you know, being in the world of Norrath and interacting with others.

When you're level 25 and some dude KS's your KFC group in South Karana, it's mildly annoying, but it's often a misunderstanding and usually ends up not a big deal. I suppose if you were pulling Quillmane and someone Ks'd you and took the Pegasus Cloak, there might be some hard feelings, but both sides would eventually move on and it wouldn't have a lot of impact on the experience.

But this raiding stuff... Honestly, it doesn't seem fun to me. I get why it's done, for the awesome rewards to be had, but after a certain point, the fighting between guilds over the raids and all of that, it really seems like the actual humans sitting at their computers are no longer having fun.

And in my estimation, the purpose of a computer game is to have fun. When you are playing a game and you realize you're no longer enjoying it, perhaps the situation should be reassessed. I don't mean stop playing. No, I mean just delete your lvl 58 and start a non-twink new character and have fun playing EverQuest.

Oh, and before you delete your lvl 58, you should totally give me any good gear you have. No sense in letting it go to waste.

See you in Norrath!!!

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Change the way raid mobs are spawned.

In classic, every patch day and maintenance day resets the raid mobs, thus all of them will spawn at once. As such, its impossible for 1 or 2 guilds to dominate all raid mobs, giving a chance for the smaller guilds to have a go at the leftovers.

The devs could implement something like this, set a "maintenance day" to reset all mobs, so that no guild can dominate all mobs like it is currently. Its more classic too, since live servers resets often (one a week IIRC)

The situation now is that certain guild is farming all raid mobs, and this will not be good for the server at all. I hope the devs can see some sense in this.

u quite wrong , that kind of things made the euro guilds stomp and rape the us based guild due to those events happening mostlly on their time frame.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

u quite wrong , that kind of things made the euro guilds stomp and rape the us based guild due to those events happening mostlly on their time frame.

thats why i suggested changing the "maint reset time" each week.


could always move the reset time 2 or 3 hours later in the day from the last maint reset.. that way respawns are always rotating through every time zone.


like say the previous reset was at 1 PM.. the next weeks reset would be at 3 PM.. and so on.

[Kraegan]

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 or 2 guilds to dominate all raid mobs, giving a chance for the smaller guilds to have a go at the leftovers..

My guild on live back in classic cleared both dragons and Fear after the server came up, someone beat us to Hate...anyway...just sayin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[tekniq]

@ Xasten: you are very well spoken and well mannered - wish there were more like you in your guild.

@OP: it's just the way p99 revolutionized, coupled with Splorf's statement - there's no way to really change the scene without PVP. Mobilization, numbers, tracking and zerging are specific to p99. It is unfortunate that "satisfying fights" can never been seen on this server where a dragon/god is taken down by few numbers, but you have to learn to adapt if you want loot because you can't really rely on GM intervention.

You have two choices right now:
1. Join TMO - they are getting every target now since VD is more or less out of the raiding scene.
2. Farm some plat and buy your items (if you prefer not to join TMO).

That's about all you can do now.

On the flip side, sooner or later, TMO will max gear their mains/apps/alts to a point where everyone and their lvl 2 alts will have their epics. When that time comes, I'm sure I can see them even putting Inny/CT/Trak on their endangered species list, but until that time comes, you only have 2 options.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by tekniq [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have two choices right now:
1. Join TMO - they are getting every target now since VD is more or less out of the raiding scene.
2. Farm some plat and buy your items (if you prefer not to join TMO).

Originally Posted by Galaa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO is already dominating now…

TMO didn't always dominate. IB didn't always dominate. DA didn't always dominate.

Choices 1 & 2 are the easy route, if you just want loot.

Choice 3: Get a bunch of friends together that want to compete, that will track, that will batphone, that will organize a raid in minutes or accept failing until you do. Realize a strategy, execute it, and win. It doesn't happen overnight.

There basically is a vacuum right now. TMO is taking advantage of it by farming everything. But as with all vacuums there's an opportunity present for someone new...

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO didn't always dominate. IB didn't always dominate. DA didn't always dominate.

Choices 1 & 2 are the easy route, if you just want loot.

Choice 3: Get a bunch of friends together that want to compete, that will track, that will batphone, that will organize a raid in minutes or accept failing until you do. Realize a strategy, execute it, and win. It doesn't happen overnight.

There basically is a vacuum right now. TMO is taking advantage of it by farming everything. But as with all vacuums there's an opportunity present for someone new...

Because I don't want to spend 80 hours a week getting my pixels? I just don't care that much. This isn't rocket science dude.

And because I know you'll then reply with something along the lines of "if you don't want it, stop whining" let me preemptively reply to your reply with "Why is the server setup so that way?"