A Concerned Citizen Writes...

[Splorf22]

I don't think anyone can say it doesn't take time, effort and dedication.

The problem is that it takes a huge, ridiculous quantity of time and not much skill.

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that it takes a huge, ridiculous quantity of time and not much skill.

What amuses me is that people are always all over these forums saying that the reason they don't raid is because they aren't willing to put in the TIME. No one ever says that they lack the leadership skills or the knowledge of the game or the motivation to organize, manage, and mobilize a guild.

And yet these same people who insist that it is the time barrier keeping them from raiding have not yet seized upon the allegedly simple task of forming and operating and mobilizing and managing a megaguild that could crush TMO beneath its feet.


Why haven't you crushed TMO yet, all you casuals? If you formed a 200-person megaguild you'd easily be able to log enough hours amongst yourselves to beat TMO, but without any one of you having to spend massive amounts of time ingame to accomplish this. Right? Cause all it would take to chase TMO off is time, right?!

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why haven't you crushed TMO yet, all you casuals? If you formed a 200-person megaguild you'd easily be able to log enough hours amongst yourselves to beat TMO, but without any one of you having to spend massive amounts of time ingame to accomplish this. Right? Cause all it would take to chase TMO off is time, right?!

The server vs TMO?

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The server vs TMO?

I can't speak for the guild, as I'm just a relatively new member.

But I'm pretty sure that the guild's response to this would be "Bring it."

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What amuses me is that people are always all over these forums saying that the reason they don't raid is because they aren't willing to put in the TIME. No one ever says that they lack the leadership skills or the knowledge of the game or the motivation to organize, manage, and mobilize a guild.

And yet these same people who insist that it is the time barrier keeping them from raiding have not yet seized upon the allegedly simple task of forming and operating and mobilizing and managing a megaguild that could crush TMO beneath its feet.


Why haven't you crushed TMO yet, all you casuals? If you formed a 200-person megaguild you'd easily be able to log enough hours amongst yourselves to beat TMO, but without any one of you having to spend massive amounts of time ingame to accomplish this. Right? Cause all it would take to chase TMO off is time, right?!

I like how you essentialize all casual players as being unskilled and disorganized, despite the fact that you had no problem asking a certain player from a casual guild for Bard advice as you were leveling. Your argument is really silly too because expecting all casual guilds to merge just to beat TMO is completely unreasonable. Maybe we don't want to merge. Maybe we like keeping our identity as a guild. Maybe "crushing the competition" isn't our one single goal on p99. And anyways this is all irrelevant because the level of commitment this server expects was not required in classic. There's a reason casual guilds on Live did much better than they do here, and I'm sure it's not because all the casual guilds on p99 are somehow inferior.

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how you essentialize all casual players as being unskilled and disorganized, despite the fact that you had no problem asking a certain player from a casual guild for Bard advice as you were leveling. Your argument is really silly too because expecting all casual guilds to merge just to beat TMO is completely unreasonable. Maybe we don't want to merge. Maybe we like keeping our identity as a guild. Maybe "crushing the competition" isn't our one single goal on p99. And anyways this is all irrelevant because the level of commitment this server expects was not required in classic. There's a reason casual guilds on Live did much better than they do here, and I'm sure it's not because all the casual guilds on p99 are somehow inferior.

I'm afraid that I don't know where or when I said any of the things you are attributing to me. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only argument I am making is that it takes much more than time to compete for raid kills on this server, and in the post you quoted I tried to demonstrate the truth of that by showing how ludicrous it would be to expect a megaguild to beat TMO to kills simply because that megaguild would log more playtime overall than TMO does.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What amuses me is that people are always all over these forums saying that the reason they don't raid is because they aren't willing to put in the TIME. No one ever says that they lack the leadership skills or the knowledge of the game or the motivation to organize, manage, and mobilize a guild.

OK, I will concede that there are some things beyond pure time. I suppose for lack of a better word we could call it discipline. Again, some of us consider this a GAME. If I wanted to join the army I would do that.

[tekniq]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What amuses me is that people are always all over these forums saying that the reason they don't raid is because they aren't willing to put in the TIME.

I don't raid anymore because if I do, TMO make fun of me, taunt me, and make me QQ and not want to play no more T_T

[somnia]

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[Alarti0001]

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pictures are worth 1000 words.... however none of those words are relevant to this discussion, thanks for the memories tho