TMO adds Talendor to the endangered dragon list

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Sylexis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+1



Apparently they are trying to bully you guys off the server. They're dangling dragons in front of VD and offering them to anyone else but you guys and shutting you guys out of every mob they can, not because they want the loot but because they want to keep the loot from you. They see partial success by having a good chunk of the VD leadership quit so they launch this dragon endangered list just to tow the line even further.

I'm just curious once they figure out they can get away with this behavior which guild is next when they step up to be real raid competition for TMO.

Lets face it, no matter what VD ever did to TMO in the past there is no excuse for this behavior and there's no promise it won't happen again to every single guild on the server until there's no one left but themselves and pixels.

Vd is fully allowed to compete with tmo on any mob, if they want the free dragons they have to compete with tmo, all the free dragons do is offer a non-compete raid to other guilds who don't get to do them
How is this hard to understand

[Xadion]

Here is my personal thoughts on VD vs TMO or how ever you want to state it.

VD was used by DA to beat IB in sky back in classic- we all got loot from this- kunark hit and DA did the whole stupid mergeing thing and all sorts of stupidness happend... by all in all DA basically split to TMO and IB/TR - the DA members that moved to TMO gave them the numbers and some gear to start ramping up the raid scene.

Fast forward some more- TMO starts to beat IB/TR in some encounters- IB/TR starts to loose their standard members that always get geared from being 'pal' status - and awate VP/Velious- so they start to use VD to boost their numbers etc etc

Fast forward to TR/IB starting to leave the server- or whatever you belive-- VD says "We are = to ib/tr and > TMO we should get XYZ" - TMO says no we are not handing you mobs you must prove it.

Fighting to get into a top-tier raid position on this server is hard, it was a long hard road in DA to get into even a 20% share of raid mobs vs TR/IB and harder to keep that foothold and increase it.... so TMO is not going to GIVE it to VD-

Fast forward some more- VD failed at asserting themselves as the guild they claimed to be- members and leaders QQed and made up whatever reasons they wanted to move on- thats fine, EQ is a game- enjoy playing or dont play...its a game bros.

All the while 'other' guilds where QQing that they 'could not' get any type of foothold because of the infighting between whatever top 2 forces on the server are- well thats BS imo- but Zeelot for whatever reason starts to say to leave one dragon up and only to mess with it if VD shows up- why? because remeber VD you all claimed to be the top and wanted to compete with us- so we are only doing what you all wanted... now maybe if your leaders admit you are nothing more than a scrub guild then you can maybe talk to the guilds above you into letting you into their uncontested dragons- but I dunno if Taken, BDA etc will want you to move up to their level yet.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VD says "We are = to ib/tr and > TMO we should get XYZ" - TMO says no we are not handing you mobs you must prove it.

From my viewpoint (as a VD in case you don't read my sig), VD did not try to claim we were better than TMO, but that we can slay any dragon TMO can. I'm not trying to downplay your effort in getting to the top, you guys busted chops, threw countless members at mobs, lost, and worked tooth and nail for your position. I see that you are at the top, you earned your place, and you do feel like sharing the top about as much as a kid wants to give up his ice cream cone. That's fine.

What VD was advocating with TMO was a rotation for the biggest poopsock of all, Trak. He's in window as much or more as he's out of window, and he's a 3-day spawn. He's just a large pain in the ass for everyone 'socking.

With respect to VP, VD wanted to continue the agreement TR/TMO had when they entered into VP for the first time. TMO claims anyone can walk into VP, but the two guilds who started in VP had:
1) a forced rotation which allowed you to obtain initial pixels without training and/or other nonsense which is legal in VP
2) a chance to hone PVE raid tactics before adding the PVP aspects (not being forced to master both at the same time)
3) a chance to set up CoH/track bots without PVP
4) a chance to explore pathing, pulling, other zone mechanics in a controlled environment (without the PVP)

Basically, VP was a PVE zone between the two guilds, and now TMO wants to claim anyone can enter and compete within it as a PVP zone, without admitting the obvious advantage they have/had. I'm not saying VD is ready to compete, I'm not saying TMO couldn't have competed if it had been PVP from day 1. But I am saying, on top of being the only guild actively raiding VP, the barrier to entry is raised higher than even TMO had when TMO entered.

The barrier for competition is to the point where its high enough that it doesn't look like anyone is going to bother to compete. Do I care that I'm not in VP? Eh, I'd like to see it. Do I think its worth the effort to get into VP? Not in the slightest. Right now, TMO is "the house". The odds are stacked in the house's favor, and anyone playing to beat the house is delusional.

[tekniq]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vd is fully allowed to compete with tmo on any mob, if they want the free dragons they have to compete with tmo, all the free dragons do is offer a non-compete raid to other guilds who don't get to do them
How is this hard to understand

Here's a good analogy. The Washington Wizards and the Miami Heat are both in the NBA, but what are the odds the wizards will beat the heat in a game.. I highly doubt they are your competition anymore.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by tekniq [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a good analogy. The Washington Wizards and the Miami H
eat are both in the NBA, but what are the odds the wizards will beat the heat in a game.. I highly doubt they are your competition anymore.

I don't watch basketball
Also, I suggested vd officers to talk to ours.....

[Rain1]

Have target shout who has FTE.
Remove people from sitting themselves/pets on top of a raid mob spawn.
Problem solved. If a guild still has the balls to break the rules after these two fixes, eat a raiding ban.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Rain1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have target shout who has FTE.
Remove people from sitting themselves/pets on top of a raid mob spawn.
Problem solved. If a guild still has the balls to break the rules after these two fixes, eat a raiding ban.

bold = useless rule.

[kazroth]

Gonna agree with Gwence on this one, haha

[Silentone]

I guess Gore has nothing Gwence needs so he going to throw a temper tantrum. God forbid other people get to experience raiding and some dragon loot.

[Gwence]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess Gore has nothing Gwence needs so he going to throw a temper tantrum. God forbid other people get to experience raiding and some dragon loot.

none of the mobs you fellas have access to have anything I need


I'm sooo mad