Rangers

[Phased]

Lots of angry rangers here. They can't tank as well as tanks, they can't do as much damage as the DPS classes.

Yet, these threads should all end with the common response:

Good players > bad players, regardless of class.

[Cecily]

Rangers are hands down my favorite class to group to with on my rogue. Tank / Healer/ Haste & Slow / DPS / DPS/ DPS makes an ideal melee party. With that setup, mobs die fast and it really doesn't matter what the DPS classes are (as long as I'm one). Might as well have a ranger along for utility. And oh my god, I can't wait for call of the predator.

What a player can do by themselves is largely insignificant. It's the synergy of different talents that matters in Everquest.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is completely wrong. A properly geared ranger leveling up will out-dps everything but a fairly twinked rogue or similarly geared monk. And with that they will bring root parking, reliable agro, and decent tanking. I carry both a STR set and an ac/hp set for when I need to take hits, which is almost always because nobody plays a tank... but that's an issue for another thread.

It's easier to utilize your class to the best of its ability if you play a rogue or monk. They are both better dps later on. But it's profoundly fucking ignorant to say that makes rangers useless, or even undesirable, particularly when leveling.

But like he said, there's a ton of threads about this if you use the search function. I think the conclusion is that rangers have their flaws, but if properly played, can be an incredible contribution to a group. Just remember you have spells, and use them. There's too many rangers that never throw a downtime heal, or a root/snare. Such a waste.

Plus I find monks and rogues really boring.

Most rangers don't outdps warriors, of course there are exceptions in any case. Rangers are excellent though, very useful class when played by a somewhat competent player.

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most rangers don't outdps warriors, of course there are exceptions in any case. Rangers are excellent though, very useful class when played by a somewhat competent player.

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

[Silentone]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

That gives us about as much data as saying u were number on dps on Draco.

[Xanthias]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That gives us about as much data as saying u were number on dps on Draco.

Better?

Gorenaire in 69s, 20k @287dps --- Internode 3k @50dps (17.26%) --- Xanthias 3k @45dps (15.57%) --- Sckrilla 3k @42dps (14.11%) --- Flippie 2k @38dps (11.79%) --- Khezak 2k @27dps (8.86%) --- Snackies 1k @15dps (4.57%) --- Sworen 1k @14dps (4.52%) --- Auelin 1k @18dps (4%) --- Jagganath 1k @10dps (3.36%) --- Zugsmash 1k @10dps (2.83%)

Originally Posted by Danyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep in mind the fact you can't parse other people's spells/procs etc. Adds more than you may think. They changed that on Live, thank god. Other people's spells started displaying as "A Gnoll Pup has taken 32159 damage from Soandso's Big Ass Flame Bolt" which the parser can pick up, though I think other's procs may still be hidden. And all but your own DS is hidden too. At any rate, the "rangers never out dps anyone" thing IS a bit of an exaggeration though, I think. And even if it weren't, take comfort in the fact that these days they're one of the best, if not the best, dps in the game if you put the right bow on them and have the right AAs.

Hey I'm not bitching, but I agree the whole blanket statement thing does get a tad annoying.

Last thought on this topic, group with rangers who have a clue about the class and you'll come away amazed.

[Danyelle]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

Keep in mind the fact you can't parse other people's spells/procs etc. Adds more than you may think. They changed that on Live, thank god. Other people's spells started displaying as "A Gnoll Pup has taken 32159 damage from Soandso's Big Ass Flame Bolt" which the parser can pick up, though I think other's procs may still be hidden. And all but your own DS is hidden too. At any rate, the "rangers never out dps anyone" thing IS a bit of an exaggeration though, I think. And even if it weren't, take comfort in the fact that these days they're one of the best, if not the best, dps in the game if you put the right bow on them and have the right AAs.

[maahes]

Originally Posted by Muchew [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think its more of the comparison of what they become post-velious, they are horrible. Finally had a ranged dps that doesn't depend on mana/mob resist.

In classic though,they do fine dps and can pull well outdoors.

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