Trakanon Rotation

[quido]

How about Zeelot plays Coldblooded in beer pong and the winner gets to dictate the terms?

[deneauth]

Haha omg jeremy you gave me a lol fit at work with that one

[Teddie1056]

Me vs. him in flip cup and it's a deal!

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vesica Dei has been attempting for a week to begin talks towards re-establishing a Trakanon Rotation.

The proposed rotation would be a 3 spot rotation :
TMO
VD
Open

During the "open" spot, anyone besides TMO and VD would have whatever time window TMO and VD get for their own spots in the rotation (previously it's been 6 hours) to attempt a kill without needing to poopsock / race against us. Guilds could work together, or try alone, or an open raid could form for it.

While it's no secret that I'm also attempting to get another VP rotation established, the Trak rotation would not be tied to VP, Ragefire, or anything else. I just sincerely believe the current "competition" is being taken to ridiculous levels.

Zeelot has so far refused to have any discussion about it at all. I'm still open to talk to him of course, and hope he will eventually change his mind. And since he's determined to keep the door of private communication shut, I'm making the offer publicly.

Non-troll feedback and suggestions are welcome.

Confirmed - VD proposing Trak rotation due to suck/fail and inability to poopsock trakanon. TMO putting them in their place where they belong. At the bottom of the pecking order.

[Teddie1056]

Be funny if we did something like that every week. High stakes beer pong. VP trains all day long because someone did a bounce shot.

[Teddie1056]

Visual, you don't really think we are unable to steal a trak from you do you? I guarantee we can. If we straight up socked him, we would get him unless you did too. At that point, its just a FTE "GM read the logs" ordeal.

And while we do care about the rest of the server, we aren't exactly hiding that we want to benefit from this rotation. It is not a ploy. We don't want to poopsock, we don't want the intense competition all the time that TMO brings. It makes the game less fun for us. So yeah, we aren't completely selfless here, though I don't think I, or anyone else was trying to push that idea.

[Xatava]

Originally Posted by Teddie1056 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't want to poopsock, we don't want the intense competition all the time that TMO brings. It makes the game less fun for us.

If you want to semi-casually raid, then go semi-casually raid targets that no one cares about. Why should TMO cater to your whims?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Teddie1056 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Visual, you don't really think we are unable to steal a trak from you do you? I guarantee we can. If we straight up socked him, we would get him unless you did too. At that point, its just a FTE "GM read the logs" ordeal.

And while we do care about the rest of the server, we aren't exactly hiding that we want to benefit from this rotation. It is not a ploy. We don't want to poopsock, we don't want the intense competition all the time that TMO brings. It makes the game less fun for us. So yeah, we aren't completely selfless here, though I don't think I, or anyone else was trying to push that idea.

Teddie you seem like a pretty reasonable guy. So I will give you a reasonable response.

VD needs to pick a focus. You are asking for too much with too little to back it up. VD had received most of its kills due to a raid alliance and being carried by IB. You know it, I know it... its simple fact and if your guild can't admit that they are in serious denial.
That being said, you have asked for a rotation in VP and on Trak as if you still had IB here to back you up. You don't plain and simple, you need to earn your way up just like TMO did.
When we first started here we didn't bother asking for a rotation we wiped ALOT on Trak till we got it right then we had like a 9ish+ trak streak followed by more streaks. We agreed to a trak rotation with IB+vd over the holidays because we couldn't trust to have numbers in seconds notice over the holidays.... that is the only reason. VP rotation was for the same reason and because CRing in VP is just annoying.
Trakanon rotation is definitely possible in the future but your members actions in VP are really hurting your chances in the short term.

VP stuff*
VD can not bully us into making an agreement with memblurs....it just won't happen we like competition and we will just develop strategies to defeat you.
If you want an agreement next time you memblur....actually attempt killing a dragon.

[Corrodith]

we don't want the intense competition all the time that TMO brings

Right, you just want mobs for free (i.e. without being able to actually compete for them). In TMO we mostly play for the thrill of the competition, and we have been enjoying some at least respectable competition from VD in the last week. I've been impressed that you've somewhat been able to hold your own without IB. If VD can prove they can compete at our level over a longer period of time (months), then we can start talking rotations. Trying to bully us into a rotation after one week with this memblur shit is not going to get you a rotation.

This level of competition on this server is pathologically high. We are not sane people in the raid scene. It's not a "play nice" environment. You compete at the highest level, or you don't get to kill mobs, period. You don't get things for free by whining and trying to bully people by exploiting bugs to grief. You get rotations and common sense agreements by dedication and showing up strong for the batphones.

We will find a way to kill the VP dragons you are trying to hold hostage, regardless of whatever you bring. This is a chess match to us, an epic challenge, and although personally, part of me is enjoying it immensely, and I think many others in TMO share that sentiment, it's not going to get you any loot. I have no doubt in my mind that we're going to kill those dragons, whether they fix mem blur or not, and you will be sad.

WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS

[Xatava]

Originally Posted by Corrodith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, you just want mobs for free (i.e. without being able to actually compete for them). In TMO we mostly play for the thrill of the competition, and we have been enjoying some at least respectable competition from VD in the last week. I've been impressed that you've somewhat been able to hold your own without IB. If VD can prove they can compete at our level over a longer period of time (months), then we can start talking rotations. Trying to bully us into a rotation after one week with this memblur shit is not going to get you a rotation.

This level of competition on this server is pathologically high. We are not sane people in the raid scene. It's not a "play nice" environment. You compete at the highest level, or you don't get to kill mobs, period. You don't get things for free by whining and trying to bully people by exploiting bugs to grief. You get rotations and common sense agreements by dedication and showing up strong for the batphones.

We will find a way to kill the VP dragons you are trying to hold hostage, regardless of whatever you bring. This is a chess match to us, an epic challenge, and although personally, part of me is enjoying it immensely, and I think many others in TMO share that sentiment, it's not going to get you any loot. I have no doubt in my mind that we're going to kill those dragons, whether they fix mem blur or not, and you will be sad.

WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS

^ pretty much this, though i wouldn't call VD terrorists, they're more like petty vandals