How 2 Kill Nagafen Nihilum Style

[aerokella]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Failed delivery on GM promise.

Two sides being held accountable differently for the same crime.

There's a word that gets thrown around here under such circumstances, but I still appreciate Red99.

Welcome to Project 1999

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Labanen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Noone gets watched more closely than we do

OH BROTHER

[heartbrand]

Notice how from Fallen's ready comment to naggy death there is almost no guild chat about the encounter. No one is remarking how omg naggy isn't attacking or anything of the sort. But I mean ooops it bugged out on accident and such! Huguhman's "trololol" comment after the AE spam is also lol.

[Doors]

pro strat.

[Nirgon]

Yeah, well, hopefully people will be more interested in levelling to 50 when dragons aren't perma down to exploit kills...

especially when PvP is won and the same strat is used resulting in guild disbands and 2 week+ suspensions.

[Nirgon]

Considering a GM stood there and watched you push it into a wall and took no fears or aoe... and then said "I see nothing wrong!". At least Rogean got semi-interested for a while and called you on your shit, that was worth about 100 pages of lolz and excitement.... which quickly died off sadly.

I'd say closely watched is part of the funnies at this point, bud.

That screenie that was just posted confirms that at least 2 were definitely exploited, along with the "BIG BIG PLAYS" Lovely one as of the first posting.

Vox screens come out, truths are admitted but then suddenly....

deny deny deny deny everything.

What a joke

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering a GM stood there and watched you push it into a wall and took no fears or aoe... and then said "I see nothing wrong!". At least Rogean got semi-interested for a while and called you on your shit, that was worth about 100 pages of lolz and excitement.... which quickly died off sadly.

I'd say closely watched is part of the funnies at this point, bud.

That screenie that was just posted confirms that at least 2 were definitely exploited, along with the "BIG BIG PLAYS" Lovely one as of the first posting.

Vox screens come out, truths are admitted but then suddenly....

deny deny deny deny everything.

What a joke

Please tell me when ANYONE watched them push it into a wall and said they saw nothing wrong? if you mean me - if your guild hadn't been acting straight up foolish that night I wouldn't have had to run around the zone to watch for trains (also part of my job) and co uld have stood there and tested the AE the entire time. BUT UNFORTUNATELY some people just had to train. I never saw who was actually training because by the time I was looking most of the training was over and i can only be in one spot at a time.

I'm also human and i have kids. Give me a fucking break Nirgon.

If you honestly think I would just look the other way while a guild cheated or exploited then i don't know what to tell you beyond what i've already said.

Also if you are looking for a big fat public post of "WE REMOVED DRAGON LEWTZ" it's not going to be coming because that's not how we operate. I can tell you that we've been super busy lately and just because we haven't made it to that yet doesn't mean we aren't going to do it.

We are hiring new guides so those of you who feel that I do such a piss poor job - feel free to apply and you can help out so maybe I can try to be in morem than 1 place at once.

Thanks.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please tell me when ANYONE watched them push it into a wall and said they saw nothing wrong? if you mean me - if your guild hadn't been acting straight up foolish that night I wouldn't have had to run around the zone to watch for trains (also part of my job) and co uld have stood there and tested the AE the entire time. BUT UNFORTUNATELY some people just had to train. I never saw who was actually training because by the time I was looking most of the training was over and i can only be in one spot at a time.

I'm also human and i have kids. Give me a fucking break Nirgon.

If you honestly think I would just look the other way while a guild cheated or exploited then i don't know what to tell you beyond what i've already said.

Also if you are looking for a big fat public post of "WE REMOVED DRAGON LEWTZ" it's not going to be coming because that's not how we operate. I can tell you that we've been super busy lately and just because we haven't made it to that yet doesn't mean we aren't going to do it.

We are hiring new guides so those of you who feel that I do such a piss poor job - feel free to apply and you can help out so maybe I can try to be in morem than 1 place at once.

Thanks.

Nirgon just got owned:

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Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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If you honestly think I would just look the other way while a guild cheated or exploited then i don't know what to tell you beyond what i've already said.

Also if you are looking for a big fat public post of "WE REMOVED DRAGON LEWTZ" it's not going to be coming because that's not how we operate. I can tell you that we've been super busy lately and just because we haven't made it to that yet doesn't mean we aren't going to do it.


Thanks.

I dont think anyone is looking for any sort of apology Amelinda, I think what the issue seems to be is that Nihilum can post screenshots (Giving Rogean proof, along with the logs/ones he already has) showing they exploited the kills of quite a few dragons now and yet their reprocussions of a suspension (such as what we received) arent happening..

This puts a bad taste in the players on the servers mouth as to where what is punishable and what isnt? Are guilds to be punished for breaking server rules ONLY if witnessed by GMS on the spot? Or do proof/fraps logs warrant a different style of punishement. Or do they get punished seperately based upon however soandso feels like dealing with them at the time...

I am certainly not bashing anything You guys do for us because we play here for free... I just know that so far we can look at the facts....
My Guild was outted publicly across the server by Rogean for what we caused/did, Nihilium can post tons of Screenshots/give rogean them also with logs, and basically say "Hah" we slay dragons dogs... Thats how we roll to the community, with no reprocussions or at minimal a legitimate response from the powers that be, that their punishment will be similar and or dealt with.

I think thats all we are looking for... And seems to be the biggest bane of our server... Communication. (Someone, anyone to just write a 5 letter response) we are looking at it, and it will be dealty with fair and just...


Something along those lines, would ease alot of peoples minds in moving forward..

[Zallar]

I don't think you're going to get a statement that says "We will not punish exploiters unless we visually see it ourselves" because then everyone goes "Ah Ha, if I know the staff are asleep, I've got the quoted permission to use every exploit in the game. There are combinations of options available, Logs, Guides, etc. If they have enough internal evidence that they have a reasonable confirmation of an exploit, they'll act on it.

However, knowing this community, I don't blame them on not relying upon player supplied screenshots and logs because of the extremes people will go to doctor up evidence. They can only trust their own sources.