Game Mechanics: Dragon leash mechanics

[Szeth]

Just saying bro, don't try to provide false evidence lest you get a mistrial.

If that happens your thread will join the abyss along with the rest of the discarded "bugs"

[Nirgon]

Luls. OK.

Have fun with your dragons!

Never played EQ outside emulator, real knee slapper.

Will you quit again if this is fixed? I'm thinking so! One less cheater.

How about fix meleeing dragons through walls etc :P

[Jirr]

Nagafen didn't leash, he just couldn't fit through his door. He would run into the doorway ae and summon people if he was damaged. It was unwise to fight him there because every time the tank was feared nagafen would summon and kill a dps or healer.

[Nirgon]

I know he couldn't get past that doorway / stairs.

[cyryllis]

on live we used to kill vox outside of her lair in the hallways, circa 2001. I dont remember her being leashed at all, at least during that era

[beowulf420]

Vox was not leashed, at least up through the majority of kunark. I don't recall ever fighting naggy beyond the steps leading up to him though.

[nilbog]

I'm surprised that no one mentioned it, but the dragons were leashed on project1999 till 6 months agoish? It was trivializing separating Magi Rokyl from Nagafen and obfuscating the encounter log once he reset. It was removed for this reason.

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know he couldn't get past that doorway / stairs.

This is what I recall as well, whether it be a pseudo-leash or his model not fitting through the doorway. I have seen maybe.. 75 classic screenshots of dead Nagafen, never past that doorway. Does anyone have any other evidence to provide for this? Can you currently pull Nagafen outside his room on eqlive ?

If this is needed, which I think it is, then I'll work on a way to restrict him to his lair without trivializing pulls or obfuscating logs.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is what I recall as well, whether it be a pseudo-leash or his model not fitting through the doorway. I have seen maybe.. 75 classic screenshots of dead Nagafen, never past that doorway. Does anyone have any other evidence to provide for this? Can you currently pull Nagafen outside his room on eqlive ?

2002....
Most importantly, and this caused my first Nagafen attempt to wipe, there are 3 giants INSIDE NAGAFEN'S LAIR. Magus Rokyl and 2 warriors. these must be pulled out, and whoever pulled them must camp to clear Nagafen aggro. NAGAFEN CANNOT LEAVE HIS LAIR. Once you get back outside (not sure how far out) he cannot pursue you. To check to see if Nagafen is aggroed on someone, target him (bind sight is one good way) then /assist. if you get someone, obviously he is aggroed.

http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...ead.php?t=8786

bump

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...ead.php?t=8786

bump

I'd also bump this

And [B]if the encounter has been trivialized by taking advantage of a game flaw then it is considered an exploit according to the official rules.

Using a wall to dodge aoe's? Sure! Fine!
Using a wall to get the mob unable to cast aoe's? No.
Attacking a mob through a certain wall in the zone that it shouldn't be able to go anywhere near in the first place? No, but unfortunately this is a point I should raise and clarify.

The fix:
Pull Naggy past the first doorway? No.
Pull Vox to zone in? Uh, no. I'm not 100% sure where the buck stops on that one, but going on the above logic... she definitely shouldn't be getting through the gate that leads into the goblin elite room before the ice giants. It's like a freaking mouse hole compared to a dragon. There's a wall at the ice giants for dodging AOE that is JUST FINE and I'm pretty sure she should be able to reach.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm surprised that no one mentioned it, but the dragons were leashed on project1999 till 6 months agoish? It was trivializing separating Magi Rokyl from Nagafen and obfuscating the encounter log once he reset. It was removed for this reason.



This is what I recall as well, whether it be a pseudo-leash or his model not fitting through the doorway. I have seen maybe.. 75 classic screenshots of dead Nagafen, never past that doorway. Does anyone have any other evidence to provide for this? Can you currently pull Nagafen outside his room on eqlive ?

If this is needed, which I think it is, then I'll work on a way to restrict him to his lair without trivializing pulls or obfuscating logs.

On live I have a 52 monk who I often solo Nagafen with (Lots of Velious God loot and such). I have been able to pull him to the draw bridge after King Tranix chamber.

Also when he runs (which he does to my 52 monk dunno if classic) he will path out of lair where I'm fighting him, down past the dragon skull entry to his lair, down to the draw bridge once he gets to the draw bridge he turns around and paths back.