Quick question on camps - HHK specifically

[Kinamur1999]

I've lost far to many fights about exp camps to argue with people quoting vague rules.

Keep up the good fight president, were behind you!

[Jete]

At least you're taking the peaceful route...

[musufasa]

Speeds in the right, thread closed.

[Amareck]

Speed - if a GM responds to the effect that you are in the right, then I will be apologising for taking A SINGLE mob from you. Do what you want thereafter mate.

As to Speed's comments in another thread, there have probably been around 4 - 5 times where your group has been in HHK (/who all highkeep = 4-6 folks) and you've been /ooc'ing for reps - we've left you alone to your entire basement camp - out of courtesy.

This isn't about KS'ing or anything like that - we sincerely believed that HHK basement was a single camp on this server and we respected that when other groups were there. Then to have you roll up after we've left you to your camp for days on end? It felt a bit rude. BUT - if that's the way it is, nps at all and please accept my apologies in advance IF that's the case.

Yes Speed, you did quote the rules - but the rules refer to CAMPS, not ROOMS. We didn't disregard the rules, we disagreed on an honest interpretation of them. We had what we thought was "a camp". You claimed (what we thought) was "a room" inside "our camp". Honest disagreement.

The idea that any given room is a 'single camp' seems a bit odd, IMO. Shin Lord camp is a one room camp with 4 other camps in close proximity? Seems crazy! In most dungeons, that would mean most camps are 3-4 mobs, which seems to lack any common sense at all. But that seems to be the common consensus - if you cannot sit at a mob's feet, or its not a single room, then more than one group can claim it.

If that's the correct interpretation of the rules, so be it and I look forward to sharing 4 mob camps with 20 other groups within 30 feet of each other. Doesn't seem to be in anyone's best interests though eh?

Thanks to all the peeps constructively discussing this - I was warned it would be a complete waste of time.

[Kinamur1999]

Thats the hard rule, If your not at it you can't claim it.

There is a play nice policy but cant be enforced, hopefully if you respect other peoples camps it comes back in turn.

[President]

Speed may have been in the "right" technically according to the rules, but it doesn't mean hes not an asshat.

One group is easily killing a whole area of mobs for XP - You come in and claim that a 3 of them are yours because they aren't sitting on top of them. According to the rules, you may be right, according to anyone with a brain, your an asshat.

The rules were made up to prevent single classes(or even groups) from roaming zones and killing/claiming 2-3-4+ named mobs. Yes, they are able to kill them, but they aren't necessarily at the "camps." This was happening a lot in lower guk when a group/enc/necro could IVU run to a camp kill the named, IVU run to next camp kill the named, IVU run to the next camp kill the named, rinse and repeat over and over.

These rules were not here to prevent ass/sup from pulling the gargoyles around the corner, or prevent a window/royals group in solb from pulling the entrance, or anywhere else where the mobs are XP related. In fact in solb - Window group and Royals group often compete for the entrance mobs spawns which is very similar to the current situation.


Pre-apologizes to the GM's for calling someone who exploits the camp rules an asshat outside of the Rants & Flames forum.

[magic]

^ What he said.

[jilena]

This whole situation is a bit touchy. I mean sure it makes sense in HHK, and the guy is probably being a bit selfish, showing up and claiming mobs that are quite obviously part of the current pull rotation taking place down in the basement.

However the rules HAVE to be this way or you run into the problem of higher levels and/or better geared folks dominating entire zones. Sol B was mentioned, what happens when you have a good royals group going, they are the only group in the zone. Any decent 45+ group should have no problem clearing royals, entrance trash, window, and pretty much anything that spawns in the "front" half of sol B. Another group shows up and takes window.. This is typically considered fine because window is "traditionally" its own camp. It's the same situation described above, just involving more people. What happens when you have some 50 druid PLing their buddy in MM GY and pulling all of the pit and yard trash to boot? They can clear it, they have no problem "holding" the front half of the zone even though it's traditionally 3-5 camps they are pulling. Should any newcomers to the zone just move elsewhere if they can't take one of the remaining camps in the castle?

That said, in a camp as small as what you are talking about, anyone who would force 6 people to give up some of their exp because they are simply too lazy to walk somewhere else to exp is pretty inconsiderate and while I would allow them to do it, I would personally never group with them. This server would have to be ridiculously overpopulated for it to be impossible to find exp elsewhere at any level. *shrug*

This is why I was never a fan of the PNP on live, for every incident of it preventing the little guy from getting fucked over by evil empire, it spawned 50 incidents where it was being abused to inconvenience others under the pretense of "fair play". I always loved people telling me I had to give them every other named spawn of a mob I had been camping for 5 hours because they needed the item too. I would rather be trained and KS'ed than subjected to that sort of lameness. Maybe that's just me.

[Macroz]

As far as I can see if they are camping close to that room and clearing it they own it. End of story. Maybe if they were not clearing the RR room or something then it would be ok for someone to contact the group and ask if its ok to take said room if they not killing it.

Seems like a no brainer to me.

[Tallenn]

You were both dicks.

One for KSing mobs someone else had engaged, the other for moving in on a place that was obviously already being camped.

As for who is right and who wrong is according to the rules? Who gives a shit? It doesn't matter, because not everyone agrees with the official rules. The only thing that matters is reputation, and that will stick with you, earned or not. Don't think that's fair? Tough shit, life's a bitch.

When you're LFG for Seb or Velks much later on, and one member of the group says, "don't get that guy, he's a dick", do you think it will matter whether or not you were technically within the rules, or even that anyone will remember the details at all? Do you think they will even ask why the person said you were a dick? No, because it's not worth it, they won't care, and there are almost always more people available to join a group, especially one in the good spots.

Being in the "right" isn't worth trashing your rep, and EQ players are notorious for holding grudges for years. There are TONS of places to get good xp in the 20s and 30s.

Bottom line, don't be a dick.