Game Mechanics: Kazon Stormhammer giving insufficient faction hits

[LevinJ]

It's nice to see that Uth has been reduced to nothing more than a forum troll whenever certain guilds post trying to benefit the server.

[Hasbinbad]

I've really tried to like you Uth, in spite of what my guildmates have told me about what a jerk you are.. That has never been my personal experience, so I always tried to interact with you in a friendly manner.

That being said, this seems to be true:

Originally Posted by LevinJ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's nice to see that Uth has been reduced to nothing more than a forum troll whenever certain guilds post trying to benefit the server.

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[Rusl]

Can we get an actual dev's response to this please, do we need to provide more evidence or are Shiftin's links sufficient

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Heebee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He was never "raid content". He was able to be killed by less than a full group at level 60 during Kunark. He had no notable drops. I'm not sure how this would constitute "raid content"?

I was hoping you'd point that out. Ask Cyrano below. It was his notion that he was a raid secret, not mine. And where did anything (other than you, but you said velious, get your own made up story right) say that he was killed in Kunark at all, let alone with such a small force?

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You say that there is a lack of documentation for a reason but honestly we're talking about a mob with no group or raid loot whose faction hit only truly affected less than 1% of the players of EQ back in 2000. You know how the raid culture was back then, raid guilds didn't make posts with info that could help them get ahead because people were competing to be #1 with worldwide firsts.

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude read your own freaking posts. You went from saying that he probably should be "beefed up" to flat out saying "He shouldn't be easy enough to farm yet" within a matter of hours w/o any documentation suggesting this change whatsoever.

Go troll someone else.

I'm not sure what was difficult about that for you, but those are two sentences that say the exact same thing.

You can drag all of your guildmates to the forum to make personal attacks against me all you like. You're not going to hurt my feelings. Your evidence is all from 2002 and later, not 2001 and 2002 as you try to sneak that year in by association.

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The posts prior to the revamp (primarily those from 2002) indicate the King gives around +200 RoS faction points per kill before the change was made in 2004 or so.

Not only is your faction data from Dranik's Scar, by this you've shown that you're only arguing for a change to benefit you regardless of what the actual data truly says. If you got a 200 point faction hit, you would not get the result you're asking for. Go ahead and open calc.exe, 4000/200. I'll give you a hint. It's the same as 40/2.

Kazon didn't have any relevance to Ring of Scale until a faction hit was discovered and most likely introduced in 2002. Ring of Scale was introduced with Kunark and retroactively introduced to some classic mobs. Kazon didn't start with that faction hit at launch, so it clearly was added at some point. However, you have nothing to support that his hit even exists before 2002. You can skip forward through the dates and see all of the mobs that gave a Ring of Scale faction hit. Guess who is missing.

http://web.archive.org/web/200108241...ml?faction=103

[Tiggles]

Posting in a bug thread.

Kazon should be harder

[Rusl]

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http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.html?id=1781

[Heebee]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And where did anything (other than you, but you said velious, get your own made up story right) say that he was killed in Kunark at all, let alone with such a small force?

Originally Posted by Heebee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I went with a small group at level 60 during kunark (pre-velious) on live and killed Kazon

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

pre-
 
a prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin, where it meant “before” (preclude; prevent); applied freely as a prefix, with the meanings “prior to,” “in advance of,” “early,” “beforehand,” “before,” “in front of,” and with other figurative meanings (preschool; prewar; prepay; preoral; prefrontal).

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can insult my reading skills all you like

Pardon? My post said "during kunark (pre-velious)". Get your own made up troll attempt right.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was hoping you'd point that out. Ask Cyrano below. It was his notion that he was a raid secret, not mine. And where did anything (other than you, but you said velious, get your own made up story right) say that he was killed in Kunark at all, let alone with such a small force?






I'm not sure what was difficult about that for you, but those are two sentences that say the exact same thing.

You can drag all of your guildmates to the forum to make personal attacks against me all you like. You're not going to hurt my feelings. Your evidence is all from 2002 and later, not 2001 and 2002 as you try to sneak that year in by association.




Not only is your faction data from Dranik's Scar, by this you've shown that you're only arguing for a change to benefit you regardless of what the actual data truly says. If you got a 200 point faction hit, you would not get the result you're asking for. Go ahead and open calc.exe, 4000/200. I'll give you a hint. It's the same as 40/2.

Kazon didn't have any relevance to Ring of Scale until a faction hit was discovered and most likely introduced in 2002. Ring of Scale was introduced with Kunark and retroactively introduced to some classic mobs. Kazon didn't start with that faction hit at launch, so it clearly was added at some point. However, you have nothing to support that his hit even exists before 2002. You can skip forward through the dates and see all of the mobs that gave a Ring of Scale faction hit. Guess who is missing.

http://web.archive.org/web/200108241...ml?faction=103

Dude seriously just go away. I never said he was raid content, based on what you took from what I said then any item, camp, or faction that potentially gives an advantage while raiding = raid content.

Where do you have proof that Kazon didn't start with a faction hit at launch? We've posted comments from Zam showing discussion that he gave a ~200 point faction hit prior to 2002 and yet you say it's from the wrong era (whatever the fuck Draknik's Scar is) when it was made during Velious. It doesn't matter if it was 10 days or 2000 years before the release of Luclin the fact is it was made BEFORE Luclin.

We post documentation which leads to a credible assumption to be made about what amount of faction he should currently give and you "refute" it with nothing but opinion and slander.

With you saying "I hope you would say that" it's like you're playing some crazy cloak and dagger game trying to bait us into saying the wrong thing. That implies you don't care about the truth so long as we're shown as being wrong. If that's the case then go away.

[Uthgaard]

Yes, you've already posted that. So far your counter to my evidence has been repeatedly posting your initial evidence from long after velious and talking about how much you don't like the big mean Uthgaard. Anything else?

Not that he's shown himself to have the reading comprehension skills god gave a gopher, but I believe Cyrano said it already. What was it. Game, set, match?

[Rusl]

Can we stop with the flames already this is the bug section RnF is ---> that way.

Now can Kanras, Nilbog, someone who is still an actual dev for the server still comment on this please.