Pet XP changes Oct 23 2011 patch follow up

[pickled_heretic]

it's not minor at all, enchanter nukes are terrible. In addition to your normal mana cost of rune / CC / charm it's quite substantial.

[pickled_heretic]

and actually druids don't really need to adjust much at all. a lot of druids were already doing the mob grinder technique which isn't really affected by this change.

[Klankster]

Lots of misinformation here.

Pets will never steal exp if you are grouped. You can even be grouped with someone who is 15 zones away and be solo killing, and you will recrive full exp, regardless of how much dmg you did to the mob.

When ungrouped, if your pet deals more damage than you to a mob, the pet eats 50%, not 75% of the exp.

Yes, the wiki is very wrong, and I encourage everyone to test this for themselves.

The nerf was implemented very poorly. Even if this is exactly how it was in classic, it's still a terrible change. It doesn't nerf pet classes, it just make the game far more tedious for them, requiring them to duo or to find someone in another zone to sit in a party with them. It also makes people more likely to box a second account so that they can harmlessly sit in their group while they exp.

[Zenlina]

o so happy mah mage is 60 before kanras started punching pet classes in the gonads

[Nedala]

Enchs really have no reason to cry over this.

I was already using a method leveling from 54-60 that isnt affected by the recent changes and the exp is a lot faster than regular charming.
I did this in HS for the most part and the exp was awesome.

Find a mob that's good to charm, i always used sepulcher or greater warbone skeletons in hs. Buff it up as good as you can (haste and ac buff), give it 2 weapons, and if they fixed armor stats on pets by now (i haven't played in a while other than VP) give him a haste mask (mages can summon these). Now you gotta find a good spot, or better you find the spot prior to charming and buffing your mob. The ramp in north wing is a good spot for that. Release your pet and root it, make sure you have rune up then release - stun - root .

Now you start charming other mobs and send them into your "rootmob" until they are at like 2% hp, release them and finish them off with a nuke. I highly recommend you to get a Goblin Gazughi Ring for the instant charm break clicky, after a bit of training i managed to break the mobs at 0-1% hp so i was able to use a lower lvl nuke to finish them off, saves some mana. Whenever your "rootmob" gets low on hp you get out of aggro range and memblur the mob so it regens 5 % (?) a tick. I actually mem blurred my mob everytime i went pulling (it doesnt always work, but when you do it after each fight your mob is basicly always full hp). I recommend after each fight you refresh your root, then mem blur and go pull the next mob. Make a timer for haste so everytime your haste worns off you retash/recharm the rootmob and refresh haste.

This strat has a lot of advantages over normal charming:

- You dont need to carry a lot of weapons with you, since your charmed mob is always the same, its enough to have 2 weapons with you for hour-long exp sessions
- Its a very safe way to exp, once you get used to it, just dont forget to keep re-rooting
- Your mob does a ton more damage than a charmed pet cause its not a pet, it always dual wields and its always hasted, it will never turn against you given you dont forget to keep root up
- If you use a sepulcher or gw skeleton (or any mob that has mana) you can use theft of thought on them, all the time, which makes your mana pretty much infinite
- If you fight a caster you can interrupt each of its casts by letting it sit when it starts casting

Strat works also for most nameds, as long as you can charm them. I easily solo'd verix in KC with that strat at lvl 58 or 59. If you fight a named id debuff and slow them prior to charming.

If the devs get around to fix pet drops (so your pet drops the stuff you give him, when you kill it) you could also carry around a set of neg MR gear to give your "rootmob" and loot it when you are done exping. If you can, root a mob right at his spawnpoint (works perfect with the corner mob at ramp at HS north), so if your root ever breaks while you are out pulling, the mob will just stay at his spot (because you mem blurred it before you went pulling). Oh and to check if mem blur worked you can simply move around an see if the mob is still facing you or not. If he isnt facing you, mem blur worked, also if the mob regen's 5% a tick.

Given this still works, and im pretty sure it does, enchs have no need to QQ about exp, you can prolly solo faster than anyone else [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember mem blur only works if you are out of aggro range while casting it ! If you are too close you will re-aggro the mob instantly and prevent him from regen!

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Nedala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchs really have no reason to cry over this.

I was already using a method leveling from 54-60 that isnt affected by the recent changes and the exp is a lot faster than regular charming.
I did this in HS for the most part and the exp was awesome.

Find a mob that's good to charm, i always used sepulcher or greater warbone skeletons in hs. Buff it up as good as you can (haste and ac buff), give it 2 weapons, and if they fixed armor stats on pets by now (i haven't played in a while other than VP) give him a haste mask (mages can summon these). Now you gotta find a good spot, or better you find the spot prior to charming and buffing your mob. The ramp in north wing is a good spot for that. Release your pet and root it, make sure you have rune up then release - stun - root .

Now you start charming other mobs and send them into your "rootmob" until they are at like 2% hp, release them and finish them off with a nuke. I highly recommend you to get a Goblin Gazughi Ring for the instant charm break clicky, after a bit of training i managed to break the mobs at 0-1% hp so i was able to use a lower lvl nuke to finish them off, saves some mana. Whenever your "rootmob" gets low on hp you get out of aggro range and memblur the mob so it regens 5 % (?) a tick. I actually mem blurred my mob everytime i went pulling (it doesnt always work, but when you do it after each fight your mob is basicly always full hp). I recommend after each fight you refresh your root, then mem blur and go pull the next mob. Make a timer for haste so everytime your haste worns off you retash/recharm the rootmob and refresh haste.

This strat has a lot of advantages over normal charming:

- You dont need to carry a lot of weapons with you, since your charmed mob is always the same, its enough to have 2 weapons with you for hour-long exp sessions
- Its a very safe way to exp, once you get used to it, just dont forget to keep re-rooting
- Your mob does a ton more damage than a charmed pet cause its not a pet, it always dual wields and its always hasted, it will never turn against you given you dont forget to keep root up
- If you use a sepulcher or gw skeleton (or any mob that has mana) you can use theft of thought on them, all the time, which makes your mana pretty much infinite
- If you fight a caster you can interrupt each of its casts by letting it sit when it starts casting

Strat works also for most nameds, as long as you can charm them. I easily solo'd verix in KC with that strat at lvl 58 or 59. If you fight a named id debuff and slow them prior to charming.

If the devs get around to fix pet drops (so your pet drops the stuff you give him, when you kill it) you could also carry around a set of neg MR gear to give your "rootmob" and loot it when you are done exping. If you can, root a mob right at his spawnpoint (works perfect with the corner mob at ramp at HS north), so if your root ever breaks while you are out pulling, the mob will just stay at his spot (because you mem blurred it before you went pulling). Oh and to check if mem blur worked you can simply move around an see if the mob is still facing you or not. If he isnt facing you, mem blur worked, also if the mob regen's 5% a tick.

Given this still works, and im pretty sure it does, enchs have no need to QQ about exp, you can prolly solo faster than anyone else [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember mem blur only works if you are out of aggro range while casting it ! If you are too close you will re-aggro the mob instantly and prevent him from regen!

1. before the exp nerf, there's absolutely NO WAY this was faster than normal charming, because you never had to spend mana on a terrible enchanter nuke except for your lvl 1 nuke, you would just break and charm a new pet to finish off the old one.

2. you can calm mobs before blurring them, this lets you literally sit next to a mob while they are regenning their hp.

3. there's lots of mobs that quad without weapons now, i think the greater warbones are one of those mobs. also, skeletal guardians definitely quad without weapons, i've used them before.

otherwise a good technique that i've used myself with multiple mobs to create a "mob grinder" effect.

[Nedala]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. before the exp nerf, there's absolutely NO WAY this was faster than normal charming, because you never had to spend mana on a terrible enchanter nuke except for your lvl 1 nuke, you would just break and charm a new pet to finish off the old one.

2. you can calm mobs before blurring them, this lets you literally sit next to a mob while they are regenning their hp.

3. there's lots of mobs that quad without weapons now, i think the greater warbones are one of those mobs. also, skeletal guardians definitely quad without weapons, i've used them before.

otherwise a good technique that i've used myself with multiple mobs to create a "mob grinder" effect.

You dont have any mana problems at all because of this nuke, since you can always use theft of thought on your rootmob, also you can use a lower lvl nuke which isnt that bad manawise. i still think this method was
faster because your mobs did a lot more dmg than a charmpet. i dont think the mobs still quad if you have them charmed? idk tho, i still think its faster. mobs may quad without weapon but at the time i used this strat they did WAY more damage with 2 weapons, i was almost falling asleep when my pets didnt have 2 weapons. I think the dmg increase makes up for anything else, im sure this is at least as fast as regular charming if you do it right, i still think its a lot faster.

What you say about calm is true but it isnt really needed unless you have not enough room.

[Kasilis]

Originally Posted by Klankster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lots of misinformation here.

Pets will never steal exp if you are grouped. You can even be grouped with someone who is 15 zones away and be solo killing, and you will recrive full exp, regardless of how much dmg you did to the mob.


The nerf was implemented very poorly. Even if this is exactly how it was in classic, it's still a terrible change. It doesn't nerf pet classes, it just make the game far more tedious for them, requiring them to duo or to find someone in another zone to sit in a party with them. It also makes people more likely to box a second account so that they can harmlessly sit in their group while they exp.

Won't the exp be divided by two even if the other one is not in zone?

[pickled_heretic]

Grouping invalidates the penalty, which was my only real concern. I had serious reservations about this change given that charmed pets will very frequently outdps duos, or even full groups that are a little light on DPS. Since learning that grouping, even just duoing, completely invalidates the penalty, I couldn't be happier.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since learning that grouping, even just duoing, completely invalidates the penalty, I couldn't be happier.

Right up until the next patch.