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Old 11-08-2011, 03:00 PM
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A 6/25 dagger with a junky little direct? Eff me.

How about a 6/24 with an enchanter 80dmg dot proc?
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=246

I mean, if you're Hell-bent on doing nil dps and praying for procs that is.
There's no aggro component to the proc on Whip of Strangulation. If you're going for aggro, shard >>>>>>> whip.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:05 PM
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There's no aggro component to the proc on Whip of Strangulation. If you're going for aggro, shard >>>>>>> whip.
http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Choke

It's is weak debuff/dd/dot. It doesn't have the ac component like Obsidian Shatter but on a dmg basis I would think it would be better.

Shrug. I mean who knows. The idea of being level 30+ with 6/25 daggers is even sad for 1999 Classic.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:07 PM
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Lol

and the lamentation warrior doesn't have taunt.

anyway, this thread isn't about group tactics with warriors. this is about a warrior that wants the biggest bang for his buck in terms of aggro management at lower levels. damage directly corresponds to aggro and is much more consistent then procs. doesn't get any simpler than that.
Oh it's very true that he has taunt, but the procs really lock in the agro. Two procs (stuns) and you are golden + melee on 40ish mobs. Think I'd agree at lower levels if you straight up out weapon dmg/delay people its better. Kunark weps on fresh chars is ownage. Again, I think its up to what he can afford. Jasarth trident should be pretty cheap and does well. The wurmy is going to hit him pretty hard for $ as a new player I think. Hence, I'd just suggest he keep what he has and grab the cheap YK maces at 40 when mobs get a lil more meat to them.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:13 PM
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Oh it's very true that he has taunt, but the procs really lock in the agro. Two procs (stuns) and you are golden + melee on 40ish mobs. Think I'd agree at lower levels if you straight up out weapon dmg/delay people its better. Kunark weps on fresh chars is ownage. Again, I think its up to what he can afford. Jasarth trident should be pretty cheap and does well. The wurmy is going to hit him pretty hard for $ as a new player I think. Hence, I'd just suggest he keep what he has and grab the cheap YK maces at 40 when mobs get a lil more meat to them.
like i've said before, sword of skyfire is 10/22 and runs you 500 plat max, probably a lot less or even free if you can pull off the poor undergeared warrior look. cane of the tranquil is maybe 200? and you're set until you can get the higher lvl weapons to proc.

for a little more you might be able to score a poison wind censer (1-2k) which is going to annihilate anyone else's dps unless they are well twinked.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:18 PM
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like i've said before, sword of skyfire is 10/22 and runs you 500 plat max, probably a lot less or even free if you can pull off the poor undergeared warrior look. cane of the tranquil is maybe 200? and you're set until you can get the higher lvl weapons to proc.

for a little more you might be able to score a poison wind censer (1-2k) which is going to annihilate anyone else's dps unless they are well twinked.
^-- Great recs.

The perk of the PWC is you can roll with it from about lvl 1 to when it procs. Then it just becomes situational. It also trains up your 2hb for the Sarnak Hammer.

A good warrior should have a few different weapons at all times. Luckily these come cheap like the Silken Whip, etc.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:07 PM
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enchanter spells are broken for aggro. shatter causes a lot of aggro, and it's probably more than choke, but choke would still cause quite a bit of aggro.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:09 PM
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Yeah, I know what choke does, and having used both the whip and the shard, I can safely say that there's no extra aggro component to choke. The shard is great for snap aggro if/when it procs, and two of them gives a somewhat decent chance of proccing, but the damage is so poor that when it doesn't proc, the shard is almost worthless.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:11 PM
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Yeah, I know what choke does, and having used both the whip and the shard, I can safely say that there's no extra aggro component to choke. The shard is great for snap aggro if/when it procs, and two of them gives a somewhat decent chance of proccing, but the damage is so poor that when it doesn't proc, the shard is almost worthless.
Thanks for the addl insight. I was going off spell descriptions which is much different than actual use.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:38 PM
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Fortunately at low levels when you're scrambling to keep mobs off of twinked melee, it isn't as big a deal since...well they're twinks. If some rogue with 100k worth of gear pulls agro off of you in oasis or something, he's probably sturdy enough to survive what the mobs you're fighting can dish out. Stuff should die pretty fast anyway.

Not optimum obviously, but not the end of the world either. Just do what you can. If it's a twinked monk, don't be adverse to just letting them go ahead and tank either. They're probably more tanky than you are if you've got a normal character working on gearing up. Switch to your best dps weapons in those cases and go with the flow.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:42 PM
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Lots of people hating on Obsidian Shard.

Go try it:

Shards > Whip of Strangulation and
Shards >>>>>> something without a proc like Lamentation

At 37 get two SSoY.
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