Occupy Rants, Flames, and NSFW

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Slobthar mad his guild is banned.

too uneducated to argue, i see. don't be mad at me for depriving you of an affordable education, you should be mad at the fat white guys you voted for.

keep thinking your hard work will make you rich one day. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[naez]

I wasn't going to be trolled into responding to his incomprehensible babbling, but I am curious as to what Harrison suggest OWS people do in order to fix the corruption, cronyism, and corporate-communism running rampant in the system. Besides what they're already doing, and short of violent revolution of course.

[naez]

What I mean is, at least they're trying, what have you done? Slathar pointed it out correctly: Harrison fancies himself a member of the elite, having a "them" mentality against "99%ers" in his previous posts.

[Tadzi]

some info for those confused. this took all of 5 minutes to find out for myself.

What/why they are protesting: "OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations."

Source: http://occupywallst.org/about/

Why Prostest?: From the wikipedia definition of protest- "Protesters may organize a protest as a way of publicly making their opinions heard in an attempt to influence public opinion or government policy"

Some examples of successful protests:
American Revolution
Martin Luther King's 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom
Tiananmen Square protests of 1989

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Tadzi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some info for those confused. this took all of 5 minutes to find out for myself.

What/why they are protesting: "OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations."

Source: http://occupywallst.org/about/

Why Prostest?: From the wikipedia definition of protest- "Protesters may organize a protest as a way of publicly making their opinions heard in an attempt to influence public opinion or government policy"

Some examples of successful protests:
American Revolution
Martin Luther King's 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom
Tiananmen Square protests of 1989

The difference is that successful protests all have one thing in common: a goal. What is OWS's goal? Their only stated goal is to protest. What do they want done? Eliminate Wall Street? That's not a realistic or desirable goal.

I'm going to ask a genuine question, because it doesn't make any sense to me. Liberals (and I use the term loosely, because I'm not sure how else to classify the group) argue that the banking industry has corrupted the government in order to continually push policies which move capital toward the richest of the rich and away from the middle and lower classes. However, they by and large support programs that would increase taxes and increase the role of government within the life of the everyday citizen. More taxes, more social programs, more federal funding. How do you reconcile those two view points? If the government is being corrupted by Wall Street, why increase their funding and influence?

I generally agree that Wall Street -- and more specifically, the rich -- use their resources to manipulate government and maximize their own earnings, regardless of the effect that has on the rest of the country. But partially because of that, I'm wary of expanding the role of federal government within the lives of the everyday citizen. If anything, the role of government should be increased within the financial sector. Increase oversight and legislation, sure. But when everything points to the government being in bed with big business, why would you want to increase the amount of money and scope of influence being provided to the government as it relates to your common citizen? That's what doesn't match up for me.

[Tadzi]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is that successful protests all have one thing in common: a goal. What is OWS's goal? Their only stated goal is to protest. What do they want done? Eliminate Wall Street? That's not a realistic or desirable goal.

I'm going to ask a genuine question, because it doesn't make any sense to me. Liberals (and I use the term loosely, because I'm not sure how else to classify the group) argue that the banking industry has corrupted the government in order to continually push policies which move capital toward the richest of the rich and away from the middle and lower classes. However, they by and large support programs that would increase taxes and increase the role of government within the life of the everyday citizen. More taxes, more social programs, more federal funding. How do you reconcile those two view points? If the government is being corrupted by Wall Street, why increase their funding and influence?

I generally agree that Wall Street -- and more specifically, the rich -- use their resources to manipulate government and maximize their own earnings, regardless of the effect that has on the rest of the country. But partially because of that, I'm wary of expanding the role of federal government within the lives of the everyday citizen. If anything, the role of government should be increased within the financial sector. Increase oversight and legislation, sure. But when everything points to the government being in bed with big business, why would you want to increase the amount of money and scope of influence being provided to the government as it relates to your common citizen? That's what doesn't match up for me.

"OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations."

Goal is to lessen/eliminate the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process.

They're doing this by trying to raise awareness and change peoples opinion of how the government currently works. Like in the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom where 75–80% of the marchers were black and had little to no actual power to change anything other than protesting and changing the minds of the public and eventually the senate, house, and president to sign the Voting Rights Act.

If the government is being corrupted by Wall Street, why increase their funding and influence?
I dunno I'm not a liberal or know anything about government corruption. I just saw people having conflicting stances on what OWS was doing so I looked up what they're protesting, why to protest in general, and some protests that worked in the past.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Tadzi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Goal is to lessen/eliminate the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process.

Right but that's an ultra-vague goal, and they haven't proposed or identified any specific methods for bringing about the reform(s) they desire. The devil is in the details. I'd say that 95% of America would be pro-lessening/eliminating the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process. But when you get down to the details of how to do that, you start losing people.

[Harrison]

You get trolled into everything.

You spew incessantly in IRC about "zionist overlords" and other tinfoil hat idiocy so much that I have you blocked.

You're an idiot on such levels that it's painful to think you may have procreated like Visage.

[naez]

You can't answer the question. You are lashing out like an animal I have backed into the corner.

[Harrison]

Honestly, I read the first half of your sentence in your post and ignored the rest outright. There is absolutely nothing of worth that you could possibly spew, and as such, is ignored.