Latest scientific consensus on intelligence, does it justify racism?

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what does racism mean to you?

The word "racism" implies that treating people differently is wrong because everyone is the same, in reality, all testing says the exact opposite. Natural selection doesn't create equality.

Therefore, I consider it an irrational, propaganda word that has no scientific basis or reasoning behind it.

People who tend to use that word usually fall into one of two categories, someone looking out for their own self preservation, or liberals who don't understand a society or civilization is composed of the bell curve and not outlier individuals.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The word "racism" implies that treating people differently is wrong because everyone is the same, in reality, all testing says the exact opposite. Natural selection doesn't create equality.

Therefore, I consider it an irrational, propaganda word that has no scientific basis or reasoning behind it.

People who tend to use that word usually fall into one of two categories, someone looking out for their own self preservation, or liberals who don't understand a society or civilization is composed of the bell curve and not outlier individuals.

So assuming what you say is true, we should treat people worse if they're less intelligent. In that case I'm free to discriminate against you. Am I understanding this correctly?

[pickled_heretic]

if you accept the following as true:

1. race is a crude indicator of socioeconomic status and IQ

2. some of the variance in IQ is probably caused by genetics

3. within racial groups, there is a large amount of variation in IQ

then accepting the "scientific consensus" STILL doesn't justify discrimination based on race (the definition I use for "racism") there are still black people who are smarter than you and there are still east asians and jews who are dumber than you, using race as an indicator of who is smarter or dumber is not acceptably precise enough.

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. some of the variance in IQ is probably caused by genetics

The out of Africa theory of evolution predicts the closer you go to the source of where humans diverged from lower life forms, the more primitive and less intelligent the people would be. They stuck around and interbred longer.

You always have these crazy leftists who don't disagree with the out of Africa theory, yet disagree with all of it's obvious 1+1 conclusions.

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then accepting the "scientific consensus" STILL doesn't justify discrimination based on race (the definition I use for "racism") there are still black people who are smarter than you and there are still east asians and jews who are dumber than you, using race as an indicator of who is smarter or dumber is not acceptably precise enough.

Read my earlier post, it doesn't matter what outlier individuals score, a civilization is composed of the bell curve. It takes the shape of the average or lowest common denominator.

[burkemi5]

this thread is dumb. OP you are treating this like a political debate and talking about all these issues that are irrelevant. please come to my grad level diversity class and argue that racism is justified based on a wikipedia article. i'd pay you 100 dollars to do this.

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP you are treating this like a political debate and talking about all these issues that are irrelevant.

Nope, I put value on what the bell curve score is for population groups. You think this value is irrelevant and that only outliers matter. Anyone with common sense knows that outlier data is far less meaningful.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

please come to my grad level diversity class and argue that racism is justified based on a wikipedia article. i'd pay you 100 dollars to do this.

Grad level "diversity" class? I hope you're not serious. How does such a class even exist.

Do you even know where political correctness and pro-diversity came from in the first place? The correct word for this movement is called "cultural Marxism".

Back when people were actually trying to push economic Marxism as mainstream, they started pushing cultural Marxism to go with it. Why? Because unless everyone believes they're the same as everyone else, collectivist movements fall apart. It's a brain washing and indoctrination process.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You always have these crazy leftists who don't disagree with the out of Africa theory, yet disagree with all of it's obvious 1+1 conclusions.

give me an example of one of these "1+1" conclusions, then.

Read my earlier post, it doesn't matter what outlier individuals score, a civilization is composed of the bell curve. It takes the shape of the average or lowest common denominator.

what is your point? in your everyday interactions with other people, if you are assuming that every black person you meet is dumber than you because of the information in the Bell Curve, that is an unscientific assumption that is unsupported by the facts.

[burkemi5]

rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

there is absolutely no biological basis for racism. your post kind of made since when you said, "Therefore, I consider it an irrational, propaganda word that has no scientific basis or reasoning behind it." the rest consists of sweeping generalizations. what are you even trying to argue?

"People who tend to use that word usually fall into one of two categories, someone looking out for their own self preservation, or liberals who don't understand a society or civilization is composed of the bell curve and not outlier individuals." - pretty irrelevant to what we're trying to talk about here.

[burkemi5]

race isn't an indicator of anything. saying otherwise is a racist statement.

[Aenor]

You said:

"There's a deficit in race that is not related to economic status."

The original article said:

"Racial-ethnic differences are somewhat smaller for individuals from the same socio-economic backgrounds."

If I was hiring for a job that required reading comprehension, I would definitely hire a black college grad over you. The black college grad would have at least high school-level reading comprehension.