PvP Range

[Macken]

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other than assumptions of developer incompetence, why do you dislike the dynamic system?

Null,

The answer to that would be obvious to anyone who has pvp'd longer than 12 months. Do you have any pvp experience? What exactly are your credentials?


I know nothing of coding, that is the only reason i haven't launched a full fledged propoganda attack on your ass. The staff has exploded an A-bomb on the community moral.

Why must the staff continue to push non-classic and unwanted changes catered to the exact segment of the population that isn't attracted to pvp, while alienating those who are your exact target population?

Have you suggested to get rid of pve on p99 too? Why would you restrict pve on p99? Why would you restrict pvp on R99?

You coded +/- 7 (or someone did) on VZTZ and you couldn't find any pvp at all. There wasn't anyone in range. You log on. Check /who all. See no one. Log off. Server died. Going to go even faster with no /who all to check---Log on. check zone, check next zone over, check next zone after that, see people, waste time running over to find out they are all green. Get disgusted. Log off. Post on forums i told you so. Server dies.

Do you really need another History lesson?

I told you and your staff on VZTZ that pvp rules where counter productive and a misallocation of resources. Half a year later you quit over it and so did every other GM. Even Sirken finally figured it out and had enough guts to get rid of anti-pvp rules.

This is a pvp server yes? Everyone is expected to be over age 5 yes? On a game where the object is to KILL, we aren't going to coddle those who cry that they are being killed yes?

Is it safe to say if you had left well enough alone and just flipped the pvp switch that we would all be closer to the precious?

[Null]

Macken,

You didn't really answer my question, or if you did answer it I couldn't read between the trolling enough to pick it out. So if I miss anything you wanted answered, please try and reform the question as plain as possible.

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Null,
The answer to that would be obvious to anyone who has pvp'd longer than 12 months. Do you have any pvp experience? What exactly are your credentials?

Played EQ from late classic until whatever expansion came 5-6 years later on TZ. I remember being aggravated because the PvP part of the game was generally an afterthought and many changes were made for the sake of PvE that crippled PvP eventually. I then worked and eventually ran the highest populated eqemu pvp server (I think ever?)....

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I told you and your staff on VZTZ that pvp rules where counter productive and a misallocation of resources. Half a year later you quit over it and so did every other GM. Even Sirken finally figured it out and had enough guts to get rid of anti-pvp rules.

Do you really need another History lesson?

...we then held that population for the most part until the staff imploded because the person hosting our server (only when his girlfriend didn't need the power outlet for her hair drier) refused to stop interacting with our population in less than professional ways. At that point I quit and the server changed hands. Most of the code on the server that I had contributed was removed out of spite, and the server eventually died.

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why must the staff continue to push non-classic and unwanted changes catered to the exact segment of the population that isn't attracted to pvp, while alienating those who are your exact target population?

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a pvp server yes? Everyone is expected to be over age 5 yes? On a game where the object is to KILL, we aren't going to coddle those who cry that they are being killed yes?

If you are talking about PvP Range (since that was what the question was about in the first place) then there is no consensus on what range to go with. I know you want FFA, others want anything between +/-4 and +/-8. This dynamic system is a compromise.

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it safe to say if you had left well enough alone and just flipped the pvp switch that we would all be closer to the precious?

This is the only question you have in this huge post that doesn't have some sort of snide/douchie/trolling comment in it. I think that is because you are just impatient and need your PvP fix. I really doubt you have any serious issues with the dynamic system outside of the time you perceive it will take work the bugs out of it. It's cool, I get it and I think its great that you are this excited about the server.

To answer your question though:

For just the level range? Sure.

For everything else? No.

[juicedsixfo]

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a pvp server yes? Everyone is expected to be over age 5 yes? On a game where the object is to KILL, we aren't going to coddle those who cry that they are being killed yes?

That may be your object, but it's not everyone's. For most of us, it's just good ol' classic EQ with PvP enabled. It's just about having the ability to PvP and not needing lists and shit, and being able to settle disputes in game. Just by choosing to play on a PvP server you are making a commitment to PvP. Everyone will defend themselves, but not everyone is a PK per se either.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Macken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You coded +/- 7 (or someone did) on VZTZ and you couldn't find any pvp at all. There wasn't anyone in range. You log on. Check /who all. See no one. Log off. Server died. Going to go even faster with no /who all to check---Log on. check zone, check next zone over, check next zone after that, see people, waste time running over to find out they are all green. Get disgusted. Log off. Post on forums i told you so. Server dies.

Do you really need another History lesson?

I never played VZTZ, but

A) From what I hear, you are mistaken about why the server died
B) Did they have some kind of no /anon rule? You know everybody is either RP or anon on PVP servers, right?

[Dontmez_Mebro]

Is the dynamic system going to be fixed to prevent level 50's from camping noobie areas and griefing lvl 4's?

[Silikten]

+/- 4 is how it is on live I believe. It was always nice to level to 60 and let the 65s not be able to own you with gear/spells.

[Bockscar]

Of course it is. Why do you even need to ask?

[Dontmez_Mebro]

Just wondering if it's possible, or if it's one of those things that they can't really prevent with a dynamic range system. That would be why I ask.

[Bockscar]

If your ambiton is to grief in CB once you're 50, I suppose that means we won't be seeing much of you in the dungeons that matter. I sympathize with your line of thinking. I mean, you could get killed going to a high-level zone!

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Darwoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

deleveling does not work on p99 ( [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] )

It doesn't? Is that confirmed? And I have to ask why it doesn't work. What's different here that disables it?

Originally Posted by Bockscar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your ambiton is to grief in CB once you're 50, I suppose that means we won't be seeing much of you in the dungeons that matter. I sympathize with your line of thinking. I mean, you could get killed going to a high-level zone!

People will be playing there to grief, no question about it. I've said it before and I'll say it again: To many people that's what "PvP" means. It means the ability to be a douche.

It comes with the territory. I expect it. I think we all expect it. It's nothing to complain about. But I'll be happy if deleveling is confirmed to not work, because that helps level the playing field so to speak.