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10-05-2011, 02:00 AM
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let me just break it down for you...
your raid leaders and others were caught cheating (perun, acarer, mezeno, etc.) You've since re-admitted those people back into the guild. So therefore you have no shame when it comes to this. Many players left TR from the fallout and reputation hit. That's why your numbers have dropped drastically since then. You've tried recruiting players, but since it isn't working too well because your past history of training, re-admitting cheating players, you have: A. resorted to posting banked loot acquired in the past to sway potential (selfish) apps and to divert attention away from your rep B. sweet-talked VD leadership into increasing your numbers because of your fear of TMO. Just stating the obvious :\ | ||
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10-05-2011, 02:29 AM
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I disagree. I personally don't think cheating really affected them, and really, how cheating is viewed on this server is different than it was before imo. The mass suspension really brought into light what a lot of people already knew but didn't talk about. Anyone who pretended to be surprised by all the cheating is full of shit - everyone always knew, but pretended they didn't. Not just in one guild or another, but really any guild that has held a #1 or #2 spot (IB, DA, TR, Transcendence, and TMO are only 6 I can think of) - so don't take this as me trashing one side or another. The difference was that before it was always 1 or 2 people at a time, so the rest just naturally admonish the banned individuals and went on with business as usual. But people would have to have been naive as shit to think cheating wasn't as wide spread as the suspension show us it was.
That being said, I think everyone has bit of a guilty conscious, even if they don't really know it (subconscious guilt!) about the whole thing. Because of that guilt, I feel that the atmosphere of the server is a bit more forgiving of it. I mean, these weren't just random people that got cheating - this is a really social game and people form fairly close friendships. A big part of those kind of relationships is forgiving people. I know that sounds lame as shit - but even on the guide application this kind of stuff is acknowledge. There is a question on there about if you caught a friend hacking - I mean, anyone who isn't a bag of dicks as a friend wouldn't sincerely turn their friend in. They'd be like "hey cock, stop cheating or you're going to get banned. Never again." problem solved. So yea, with the revelation that cheating was wide spread, even among your own ranks and people you consider friends - I don't get them impression anyone sincerely holds the same intense grudges over it that they did before. TR's dwindling numbers is from the same thing it always is. They've sufficiently beaten the available content, and only the most dedicated are still around. 99% of that guild is keyed, and they probably have alts keyed. Most full members are best-in-slot for 90% of their items, and the remaining items are either ultra-rare or really minor upgrades. They have no real reason to log on other than cock blocking the competition from keys and filling up the guild bank. I mean, 1/2 the ones that log on now probably only log on because they're sick of the competition bragging about getting mobs. Once VP is released, just like with Sky, and just like with Kunark, their members will return and recruitment will spike. Always has, always will. | ||
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10-05-2011, 02:08 AM
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10-05-2011, 02:15 AM
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Thanks for your input spastic TMO guy. | |||
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10-05-2011, 03:22 AM
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No fucking clue who you are, so stfu. Sincerely, Me Quote:
I actually remember DA/VD as more of a joint program as opposed to the "relationship" TR/VD has. Sure DA was struggling, but not as bad as TR is/was. Quote:
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(granted I wasn't around for the DA split into whatever they all split into) Most people just speculated what DA was doing, based off their raid suspensions (things TR could and should have easily beeen raid suspended on). Except for one thing, TR was caught red handed. Some how, Perun (yes been talked about a great deal) not only admitted to using the program, but even lied about how/when he used it and was allowed to play still (even tho, it was clearly stated that lying, instead of confessing would result in a permanent ban). After all that, and most DA people making it threw the suspension/bannings via .dll whatever, I have no idea how people can say that the VD/DA and VD/TR are exactly the same. Imo, it's definitely a new low.
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10-05-2011, 09:57 AM
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[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The sheer amount of loot that we have sitting banked (read: banked loot is generally stuff nobody put in for because they already have what they want, with a few exceptions like rez sticks and dragon scales) means months and months of clean sweeping dragons. so i mean, get working on your cognitive dissonance in order to make both of those work in your mind.
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