The justice system is pretty fucked up

[Thulack]

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So in otherwords hes a christian. Whats so wrong with being christian?

Religion and government are the same things. People who try to control others by telling them what they can and can not do. Funny how much they try and separate church and state when they basically have the same way of thinking.

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she's a praying mantis irl, can't fuck with that

also mrs. anthony = alanis morisette?

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you kill someone, society kills you

[Doors]

I can see this thread ending well. Probably like, everyone agreeing with each other eventually you know.

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I can see this thread ending well. Probably like, everyone agreeing with each other eventually you know.

You shut your virgin mouth!!!!!1!!!!!11!!!

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Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Religion and government are the same things. People who try to control others by telling them what they can and can not do. Funny how much they try and separate church and state when they basically have the same way of thinking.

That's a very blanket statement to me. Apparently you have a stunted vision regarding the purpose faith holds in an individuals life. For many belief in what I will call "the unknown" for now is a deeply personal issue. It is also a belief that while initially may have been coarse has been refined by years of meditation and study. One of the instances I will use to detract from your statement is the Great Jewish Revolt of 66 A.D. I fail to believe Elazar ben Yair and his zealots fought to the death at Masada resisting the Roman's legions influence merely because they were being brainwashed and controlled by a theocratic elite. Often a culture is augmented by a spiritual belief like the Arabians with Islam, the Israelite with the Hebrew religion, or the many tribes of the subcontinent of India with its various interpretation and articulations of the Vedic texts. The zealots fought to remove their holy city from the clutches of Roman CONTROL. They also used their national faith as a rally cry and a focal point to mobilize their people to be free from CONTROL. The dwindling faithful amidst this brave new world may see the perpetual cycle taking hold again in the form of western science. Constantly belittled in the media as ignorant and scrutinized by "progressives" as old fashioned. They may see "facts" in science books as information whose soul purpose is to discredit the faith which is the very cornerstone of their life.
History always seems to repeat it self. In a society that is engulfed by internal disputes, smothered in materialism, over sexualized, and incapable of survival without constant military campaigns against other nations its quite understandable how one would think it resembles a Brand New Rome. The ostracization of religious people in modern time parallels that of the Zealots in Roman times. As Solomon said "there is nothing new under the sun".

I also find a delight in their being no Athiest option in everquest. Agnostic to me is a much different thing, but I understand it after reading this quote.

"There are no atheists in foxholes" William T. Cummings

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[Thulack]

Originally Posted by returnofahipster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a very blanket statement to me. Apparently you have a stunted vision regarding the purpose faith holds in an individuals life. For many belief in what I will call "the unknown" for now is a deeply personal issue. It is also a belief that while initially may have been coarse has been refined by years of meditation and study. One of the instances I will use to detract from your statement is the Great Jewish Revolt of 66 A.D. I fail to believe Elazar ben Yair and his zealots fought to the death at Masada resisting the Roman's legions influence merely because they were being brainwashed and controlled by a theocratic elite. Often a culture is augmented by a spiritual belief like the Arabians with Islam, the Israelite with the Hebrew religion, or the many tribes of the subcontinent of India with its various interpretation and articulations of the Vedic texts. The zealots fought to remove their holy city from the clutches of Roman CONTROL. They also used their national faith as a rally cry and a focal point to mobilize their people to be free from CONTROL. The dwindling faithful amidst this brave new world may see the perpetual cycle taking hold again in the form of western science. Constantly belittled in the media as ignorant and scrutinized by "progressives" as old fashioned. They may see "facts" in science books as information whose soul purpose is to discredit the faith which is the very cornerstone of their life.
History always seems to repeat it self. In a society that is engulfed by internal disputes, smothered in materialism, over sexualized, and incapable of survival without constant military campaigns against other nations its quite understandable how one would think it resembles a Brand New Rome. The ostracization of religious people in modern time parallels that of the Zealots in Roman times. As Solomon said "there is nothing new under the sun".

I also find a delight in their being no Athiest option in everquest. Agnostic to me is a much different thing, but I understand it after reading this quote.

"There are no atheists in foxholes" William T. Cummings

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If you were born and no one ever told you growing up any stories of "God" or any religious ideals would you automatically believe growing up that there is a "unknown power" above? Very doubtful. People having faith is like people stressing over things. There is no need to do it because no matter how hard you "Pray" or stress about something nothing is gonna change what happens. My statement was more of a blanket statement because religion has people in charge(Pope,bishops etc.) that preach things they "believe" to others and tell others how they should run their lives by either being "holy" and doing the right thing etc. The government has people in charge ( president, congress etc) that tell people what the people "Should want" and have laws governing how we run our lives. If you can't see the similarities and general motives deep down of both bodies(Money,power,control) then your to far gone.

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If you were born and no one ever told you growing up any stories of "God" or any religious ideals would you automatically believe growing up that there is a "unknown power" above? Very doubtful. People having faith is like people stressing over things. There is no need to do it because no matter how hard you "Pray" or stress about something nothing is gonna change what happens. My statement was more of a blanket statement because religion has people in charge(Pope,bishops etc.) that preach things they "believe" to others and tell others how they should run their lives by either being "holy" and doing the right thing etc. The government has people in charge ( president, congress etc) that tell people what the people "Should want" and have laws governing how we run our lives. If you can't see the similarities and general motives deep down of both bodies(Money,power,control) then your to far gone.

I was born and raised in a very irreligious household. My father is a staunch atheist, and my mother follows various teachings that could fall under the term of "new age". I seldom heard stories of God growing up. I did however feel a certain void in my life coupled by the thought there is much more to this life then we can experience with our physical senses. I never had an outlet for the thoughts so throughout my school years I struggled. Up until about my senior year in high school I considered myself agnostic / atheist. Not a crusader for these ideals more or less just ignorant of or apathetic to the ideals previously espoused to me. I met the previous year a student who was from Jordan. His attitude on life and his perceived lack of concern with the issues most teenagers are consumed with was inspiring. I learned he was a Muslim. Out of curiosity started interrogating him (friendly way of course) about his beliefs. A few lunch time conversations lead me to buying a Qur'an over our Christmas break and studying it thoroughly. In the end I never became a Muslim (although i respect them) but it did spark my interest to begin the pursuit of "higher knowledge". Since then i have read much of the bible, the Apocrypha, the psuedographia, the art of war, the seven mysteries of life, the tract of the quiet way, and am currently reading the bhagavad gita. I feel like these books are a rich dialogue of between the human soul and the thing I've chose to call the unknown. The life lessons I have learned catapulted me to adopt a much healthier and more rounded existence here on earth. I'm a vegan now and have lost a ton of weight, i no longer use any drugs or alcohol, i don't sleep around anymore, and overall i just value and cherish life. When you talk about control, there is always going to be control. This world would like to have you feel like you need to be a slave to material gain, fame, sex and everything else it beams at you through the television. So this form of control I have risen above. You might say Im controlled by my ideals and to an extent you'd be right but I choose my own ideals. There is no hierarchy between me and the unknown. I understand that people are opposed to an established and organized religion. I also at the same time wish my personal faith would not be diminished and compared to those who follow out tradition, fear, or acceptance.
The very fact that the word organized is used in before religion to describe it makes it clear and apparent to me. Any individual or group of individuals that attempts to mediate between and reconcile on your behalf to something that's unseen is preposterous. Yet that does not make the idea
divinity preposterous, or impossible....

[JenJen]

god bless americuh