Questioning GM Decisions

[citizen1080]

I am not usually one to join the "rabble rabble rabble" crowd..and I may have taken this out of context. But...

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't really the thread to dispute past actions. Please keep on the topic: a group of people acting in a manner which is detrimental to the server. There are plenty of other threads in which to discuss other things, and you also have the option of starting a new thread. Thank you.

Your OP states that you feel the player base should not talk about the recent issues with "hackers, shady staff practices etc" or question GM decisions due to the potential of scaring away new players. Which is a valid concern.

However, according to you the topic of the thread is a group of people acting in a manner which is detrimental to the server.

In my opinion 365 accounts caught hacking is far more detrimental to the server than people talking about it. And that is all they are doing, is talking. As far as I can tell the user base has not sent an ultimatum to Nilbog stating that he has to ban every cheater on the server or they will boycott it.

For one he would not care as he has said many previous times and two, it is not our place to demand anything. It is his sandbox, who are we to demand he removes the cat shit in it.

However I still feel we should be able to talk about it. If a new player actual takes the time to read some of the posts he will see 99% of the drama and issues on the server are located in a very small portion of the player base and zones..namely raid areas. Yes people used the hack suite in normal zones and that is detrimental to all our playing. But, not enough to avoid the server entirely. This is by far the best thing out there for Classic EQ cheaters or no. And while the response to the cheaters was too little in many of our opinions that does not change the fact that there was a response and it was in the right direction.

Censoring free speech here will just lead to a private forum somewhere else where people can speak their minds without fear of big brother censoring their threads. And that in its self will harm this server than any thread posted here.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not usually one to join the "rabble rabble rabble" crowd..and I may have taken this out of context. But...




Your OP states that you feel the player base should not talk about the recent issues with "hackers, shady staff practices etc" or question GM decisions due to the potential of scaring away new players. Which is a valid concern.

However, according to you the topic of the thread is a group of people acting in a manner which is detrimental to the server.

In my opinion 365 accounts caught hacking is far more detrimental to the server than people talking about it. And that is all they are doing, is talking. As far as I can tell the user base has not sent an ultimatum to Nilbog stating that he has to ban every cheater on the server or they will boycott it.

For one he would not care as he has said many previous times and two, it is not our place to demand anything. It is his sandbox, who are we to demand he removes the cat shit in it.

However I still feel we should be able to talk about it. If a new player actual takes the time to read some of the posts he will see 99% of the drama and issues on the server are located in a very small portion of the player base and zones..namely raid areas. Yes people used the hack suite in normal zones and that is detrimental to all our playing. But, not enough to avoid the server entirely. This is by far the best thing out there for Classic EQ cheaters or no. And while the response to the cheaters was too little in many of our opinions that does not change the fact that there was a response and it was in the right direction.

Censoring free speech here will just lead to a private forum somewhere else where people can speak their minds without fear of big brother censoring their threads. And that in its self will harm this server than any thread posted here.

I agree 100 percent we should all BOYCOTT server untill all theses cheaters or perma banned.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Tamiah2011 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree 100 percent we should all BOYCOTT server untill all theses cheaters or perma banned.

The fact that that is all you got out of my post is somewhat disappointing.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Tamiah2011 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

these's morons running this server

WTH? The last people you should be calling morons are the people running the server. This is just pure slander at this point Tam...

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WTH? The last people you should be calling morons are the people running the server. This is just pure slander at this point Tam...

hmmmmm? who else should be blamed for this mess? While Uthgaard was running around perma banning players for stupid stuff like 2 boxing and training they had people exploiting and hacking the server.The players with the minor offenses are still perma banned and the one hacking are returning to game, so who should be blamed ? Let me guess me for speaking up not the one running the server.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Tamiah2011 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree 100 percent we should all BOYCOTT server untill all theses cheaters or perma banned.

see the difference between Tamiah's posts and mine, HBB? Something like that is the epitome of not making a single point and being detrimental to the health of the server.

People raising legitimate points, especially in a critical time like this, shouldn't be silenced and should have the community there to read their arguments and judge for themselves instead of a direct line to the staff that may or may not work

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your OP states that you feel the player base should not talk about the recent issues with "hackers, shady staff practices etc" or question GM decisions due to the potential of scaring away new players. Which is a valid concern.

However, according to you the topic of the thread is a group of people acting in a manner which is detrimental to the server.

That is two ways of saying the same thing. Obviously, "detrimental to the server" references driving away new and old players.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my opinion 365 accounts caught hacking is far more detrimental to the server than people talking about it.

I agree with you up to this point.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that is all they are doing, is talking.

This is where our understandings break. They were talking about it, up to several days ago. Now they are rousing rabble in an attempt to undermine Project 1999. There are various subgroups with various motivations for doing so, and anyone who has been here for a while would need to be blind not to see that. I am all for civil discourse, but what is going on on these forums is not that anymore. What is going on now helps nobody and hurts everyone who wants to continue playing on p99.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as I can tell the user base has not sent an ultimatum to Nilbog stating that he has to ban every cheater on the server or they will boycott it.

Nor would Nilbog be likely to acqueisce to such an ultimatum.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However I still feel we should be able to talk about it. If a new player actual takes the time to read some of the posts he will see 99% of the drama and issues on the server are located in a very small portion of the player base and zones..namely raid areas.

It isn't fair to ask new players to dig through a huge pile of shit to find a ball to play with. That is ridiculous. I'm not asking for the gestapo here, I'm asking that some judicious moderation be employed to stop the worst of the useless posts which are detrimental to the server.

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Censoring free speech here will just lead to a private forum somewhere else where people can speak their minds without fear of big brother censoring their threads. And that in its self will harm this server than any thread posted here.

A private forum somewhere else would be fine by me at the very least. Also, comparing what I am proposing (judicious moderation on a private forum) to Orwellian domination of the population (IRL) is silly. You should be ashamed of yourself for being both educated enough to be able to make such a reference and at the same time childish enough to use it in a silly situation like this.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've noticed that there are quite a few threads going around in several forums which openly question the GM decision regarding the recent suite of 3rd party program users. This, I believe, affects the server's health as a whole, hence my posting in Server Chat. My main concern is that these kinds of posts will affect the way a new player sees this community negatively, turning them away from Project 1999 because of supposed cheating or corruption when such cheating has been summarily dealt with and the corruption has been deemed not to exist. Even if these things were in question, they would be indicative of the morals and actions of a few individuals rather than the server as a whole.

Why aren't these issues being dealt with in the proper manner, outlined by the people who run this server?

Why aren't the individuals responsible for various slanders and the obvious intent of mayhem against the population of Project 1999 being dealt with?

In the Rants, Flames, and NSFW forum there is a thread titled "GM Decisions." In that thread, I believe the official policy is:

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I'm just a little curious as to why posts containing questions regarding GM Decisions on this particular issue are allowed to continue unmolested. I'm especially curious in this matter as I have been unable to question GM Decisions publically in the past, and I'm sure many others have been so unable as well.

Rogean goes on to state:

If this is the correct way to request oversight regarding a GM Decision, why aren't people being directed to do so rather than continue to spam the various forums about it?

Is the freedom of people to speak their mind - in a manner which has been prohibited, and when the proper manner has been outlined - worth the negative impact this campaign is probably having on this community?

No. People have said their piece and more. They have rattled their cages and then some. Nobody benefits from allowing this to continue, no matter what your stance is. I suggest that further posts calling into question the decisions of the GM Staff be deleted or archived separately, and that these posters be given instructions to raise grievances in the proper manner. I further suggest that repercussions for further violations of the rules be detailed and enforced. Everyone sees why this situation is different, but the rules of the forums shouldn't be set aside because a group of people want to raise questions and cause havoc about how the rules of the game are being enforced.

Let me get this right, you want GM enforce how player talk on forums but not enforce the rules on game server? Most the player pissed because Rogean has NOT enforced the rules he made on server...Grow a brain

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Tamiah2011 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me get this right, you want GM enforce how player talk on forums but not enforce the rules on game server?

I never said that. In fact I have given several indications that this is precisely not how I feel. However, I have said that the rules of the forums should not be set aside simply because a group of people feel that the rules of the game haven't been enforced to their liking.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I have said that the rules of the forums should not be set aside simply because a group of people feel that the rules of the game haven't been enforced.

Fixt.