Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism? - Page 12

Twopair · #1 09-04-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont want them to have a lessened punishment because they're my friends. I want them to have an adequate punishment, which it is, and then come back because this is a game and I dont take it as seriously as you apparently. If people enjoy playing this game I wouldn't wish it on anyone to never be able to play again.

The people that are habitual will get caught again, dont worry, and Im sure they'll be permanently gone. You're assuming some of the people caught now are habitual (which Im sure some are) and maybe this will change their outlook on it and they wont do it anymore. If they do then /shrug that's their choice and they will have to deal with those consequences as well.

Ektar · #2 09-04-2011, 04:59 PM

oh come on that avatar can NOT be ok.

I'm ok with it though.

nalkin · #3 09-04-2011, 05:07 PM

Considering people were permabanned for committing lesser crimes in the past, it doesn't seem fair that people who were caught this time are getting less of a punishment (an extremely weak punishment at that). How does that make sense? Stripping characters of plat is such a joke punishment for most of the players who got caught. Either they need to unban everyone they banned in the past or ban everyone who got caught.

Humerox · #4 09-04-2011, 05:14 PM

Strip all characters on all accounts completely.

Offer a one-time amnesty to all previously banned accounts (prior to the last 46) provided they come back stripped and deleveled appropriately.

h0tr0d (shaere) · #5 09-04-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering people were permabanned for committing lesser crimes in the past, it doesn't seem fair that people who were caught this time are getting less of a punishment (an extremely weak punishment at that). How does that make sense? Stripping characters of plat is such a joke punishment for most of the players who got caught. Either they need to unban everyone they banned in the past or ban everyone who got caught.

Well said.

Enygma · #6 09-04-2011, 05:31 PM

Please stay on track here... this post was regarding the fact that given the exact same circumstances:

1. Koota was caught using Show EQ tracking Dracoliche -> Koota was an officer of DA and as a result banned and Dark Ascension was Raid suspended for 1 week.

2. Perun was caught using Show EQ by a .dll file -> Perun was an officer/raid leader of Transatlantic Rampage and as a result was suspended and deleveled to 54 had platinum removed. TR was not raid suspended.

At this time Rogean has said he will discuss the matter with Nilbog.

Please discuss your thoughts of why this circumstance is at all different, both people had the same advantage and provided an advantage to their guild. Why should the punishment differ?

Your thoughts on the totality of circumstances regarding the 365+ accounts that were identified should be brought to another thread. Thank you.

Sworen

Humerox · #7 09-04-2011, 05:36 PM

Not really, because the smaller issue can be taken care of with a more satisfying response to the larger.

Maze513 · #8 09-04-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Enygma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please stay on track here... this post was regarding the fact that given the exact same circumstances:

1. Koota was caught using Show EQ tracking Dracoliche -> Koota was an officer of DA and as a result banned and Dark Ascension was Raid suspended for 1 week.

2. Perun was caught using Show EQ by a .dll file -> Perun was an officer/raid leader of Transatlantic Rampage and as a result was suspended and deleveled to 54 had platinum removed. TR was not raid suspended.

At this time Rogean has said he will discuss the matter with Nilbog.

Please discuss your thoughts of why this circumstance is at all different, both people had the same advantage and provided an advantage to their guild. Why should the punishment differ?

Your thoughts on the totality of circumstances regarding the 365+ accounts that were identified should be brought to another thread. Thank you.

Sworen

Daldolma · #9 09-04-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Enygma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please stay on track here... this post was regarding the fact that given the exact same circumstances:

1. Koota was caught using Show EQ tracking Dracoliche -> Koota was an officer of DA and as a result banned and Dark Ascension was Raid suspended for 1 week.

2. Perun was caught using Show EQ by a .dll file -> Perun was an officer/raid leader of Transatlantic Rampage and as a result was suspended and deleveled to 54 had platinum removed. TR was not raid suspended.

At this time Rogean has said he will discuss the matter with Nilbog.

Please discuss your thoughts of why this circumstance is at all different, both people had the same advantage and provided an advantage to their guild. Why should the punishment differ?

Your thoughts on the totality of circumstances regarding the 365+ accounts that were identified should be brought to another thread. Thank you.

Sworen

Just taking a stab, but as far as I see, there are two significant differences.

#1 - Koota was caught using ShowEQ to the benefit of his guild, in order to track raid mobs. Regardless of whether or not DA knew how he was gaining this information, DA was clearly benefiting and raiding on the back of knowledge gained via 3rd party programs. While Perun was caught having utilized ShowEQ on P99, as far as I can tell, the circumstances and frequency of the usage were never divulged beyond what he himself said -- which is that it was only used on one occasion, and only in order to confirm that a dragon was being kited. Only a GM could verify the validity of that, but if it is true, it doesn't seem to be the equivalent of utilizing ShowEQ to indiscriminately track raid targets. Therefore, it's a bit of a logical leap -- at least for non-GMs -- to suggest TR benefited from Perun's use of ShowEQ in the manner that DA benefited from Koota's use of ShowEQ.

#2 - Koota was caught in a sting operation of sorts. From what I know, they were on the look-out for raid guilds using ShowEQ, and set up a trap to test it. Koota was the one and only person caught, and so it makes sense to come down hard. Even still, Koota himself was granted some leniency in that he was not permanently banned. Conversely, in this instance, 365 accounts were caught. All of them were granted leniency beyond any allowances that had previously been permitted. It wouldn't seem fair to hold TR to a harsh past precedent when every account caught is being granted leniency.

I think there are two fair scenarios.

#1 - permanently ban everyone caught cheating. Then, look into Perun's use of ShowEQ, and if it was utilized more than on that one specific occasion to verify a dragon being kited, raid ban TR for 1-week. That's fair.

#2 - What's been done. It's not ideal IMO, but it's fair. Everyone was given the same leniency, and it is a one-time and one-time only proposition. Anyone caught cheating henceforth -- whether it be an individual or a guild -- will be held to the server rules and past precedent.

Zenlina · #10 09-04-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Koota himself was granted some leniency in that he was not permanently banned.

Yes but if you want to play by equal rights, then the others should be suspended for 3 month+ like koota then. Or at least i believe he was perma banned till kunark was open. Will need koota to confirm exactly on that.