Little GM intervention as possible

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And no, I'm not "cool" with the idea now. And I never raged about it.

The simply fact is that most of the people posting in these threads dont understand how to prolong the life of the server (beyond 3 months) and that is, basically, what I said on the VZ/TZ forums for YEARS.

Make it legit. GM intervention = doubts on legitimacy

Anyway, WB Rexx. And Kudos for being one of the 3 or 4 people that actually understand how to make this a legit long term PvP server.

I think it's kind of silly how simple you find it all to be. I don't know if you have selective memory, but if you want to recap:

TZVZ did the item loot thing, people were rage quitting. TZVZ also did the no rules things, and again, the population went down. TZVZ took out item loot, the population soared by 200 + %. TZVZ dev's tried to get guild leaders together to form some sort of agreement, it worked for some time that way.

I think you're blaming the box losing population solely because of GM intervention, when in actuality, it was GM corruption, among many other reasons. And yes, the two distinctions are completely exclusive. GM intervention doesn't LEAD to corruption. Hiring people as guides previously invested in the player base leads to corruption.

Don't pretend to know anything about the success and failings of the box if you're only looking at part of the picture. I played that fucking thing for a long time along side of notably intelligent players. Searyx and Sirken (probably the only GM's who weren't corrupt, but perhaps made mistakes) tend to agree with most of the people on the boards here. You're making a bunch of claims and shouting them continuously-- that doesn't change your narrow scope.

And really, don't take blame off ourselves. A lot of us had quite some part in destroying the population. That environment was ridiculous for new players. People wanted yellow text under any circumstances. People were ruthless, and the population was mutilated because of it. I was the underdog, as per usual. It's not like I didn't hear people wanting to quit and eventually do so because of the shitty way that the server was run.

It's funny because I'd like to say that you have no frame of reference to be commenting on what rules should be in R99, but I cant. You do have a frame a reference, you just choose not to use it.

[SearyxTZ]

Sexy Rexxy is correct but with an asterisk


Some GM enforcement is required. No rule = training replaces PvP. If you played on the last VZTZ shitbox, you'd know that it was the same. Bunch of naked monk training, and we didn't even get to do it in the planes where it would have been really awful.

Gotta have the rule in there, but I agree with the sentiment to make it as hands-off with GMs as possible.


Also PDM flying kicked u right out of that #1 spot np np. This is for you bro.

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[Harrison]

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My experience from leading top guild on VZTZ for a couple years was that any time

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My experience from leading top guild on VZTZ

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leading top guild on VZTZ

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VZTZ

[Vile]

Emperor Rexx!

I raid for Rexx loot, dawgs.

Time to lay down the battle axe.

[Crenshinabon]

There has to be extreme GM intervention. Having 2-3 people continually train a legit raid of casuals is going to make people quit (Fear for example, last VZTZ had a naked monk and bard zoning in every 10 minutes just to train and wipe the raid we had going and I know people quit). Just sayin some people are lame enough to grief entire raids/groups with trains all night and thats not right. Obvious and blatant trains like this should get the banhammer for sure.

[Lasher]

Problem with GM intervention especially on a pvp server is that there is not enough informatin usually provided to make an accurate decision.

Id rather deal with people training me when its allowed versus being trained when its not allowed. A good trainer wont be obvious about it and odds are unless a GM wants to just sit there and wait a person will train a raid then a GM will get petition and if the raid is wiped the GM will be there just shrugging saying he didnt see it and now that the GM is there its not like you can retaliate and train back with out getting in trouble

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Lasher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem with GM intervention especially on a pvp server is that there is not enough informatin usually provided to make an accurate decision.

Id rather deal with people training me when its allowed versus being trained when its not allowed. A good trainer wont be obvious about it and odds are unless a GM wants to just sit there and wait a person will train a raid then a GM will get petition and if the raid is wiped the GM will be there just shrugging saying he didnt see it and now that the GM is there its not like you can retaliate and train back with out getting in trouble

Unlike your failbox. There is an accurate way to figure this out on here.

The problem remains now though, that nothing is done to people who DO break the rules.

So there is no repercussion for training. May as well allow it now.

[Lasher]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unlike your failbox. There is an accurate way to figure this out on here.

The problem remains now though, that nothing is done to people who DO break the rules.

So there is no repercussion for training. May as well allow it now.

Yeah i dont know what p99 has at their disposal so maybe they have way to accurately tell who initiated an intentional train. Can that information be accessed and analyzed immediatly or will it be 4 horus later or a day later?

How does training get handled on p99?

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Lasher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem with GM intervention especially on a pvp server is that there is not enough informatin usually provided to make an accurate decision.

Id rather deal with people training me when its allowed versus being trained when its not allowed. A good trainer wont be obvious about it and odds are unless a GM wants to just sit there and wait a person will train a raid then a GM will get petition and if the raid is wiped the GM will be there just shrugging saying he didnt see it and now that the GM is there its not like you can retaliate and train back with out getting in trouble

And to Buhbuh, I quit reading most of your posts.

VZ/TZ tried no rules for like a month? And that was mid 2.0? You cant establish a rule set, then change it to something drastically different mid stream. Its like holding a piss midstream, if your not used to it, it burns.

Anyway... Oh, and as far as "casuals"... rofl, are you fucking serious? Most people here are talking about how they are setting up their comp rooms for living. EQ is not really for the casual. And EQ EMU is not for some Bnet kiddie that wants to try something new, its for EQ junkies that need a fucking fix. Take that bush league bullshit to another forum, it doesnt fly here.

WTB server w/o handholding + GM intervention~

[Crenshinabon]

Originally Posted by Lasher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem with GM intervention especially on a pvp server is that there is not enough informatin usually provided to make an accurate decision.

Id rather deal with people training me when its allowed versus being trained when its not allowed. A good trainer wont be obvious about it and odds are unless a GM wants to just sit there and wait a person will train a raid then a GM will get petition and if the raid is wiped the GM will be there just shrugging saying he didnt see it and now that the GM is there its not like you can retaliate and train back with out getting in trouble

Yea, but at least the people training will stop after that point. Otherwise the training would happen all night. Once GM is alert it would be easy to tell. Even easier to tell in places like planes where people zone in naked to train.