Are you going to quit because of cheaters?

[Kinsawt]

Wait Zereh, you need to get all the details before you start making your guild look silly.

Winterfresh is gone, completely. He was being played by Durison, the Guild Leader of your guild. And he's not gone for training or some raid dispute, he's gone for 2-Boxing, cheating. Not an officer, a GL. That's 1 finger, same as us, same as VD.

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

No one has had their bans lifted. Are you trying to say because the Trax account was online (our Talendor tracker) that we Perun wasn't/isn't suspended? I saw Durison on last night, are you guys still letting him logged in after he _just_ got an account suspended? Perun is still entirely gone, no one has come back, not Eashan, not Uuaellaen, not any of our apps our members. I'll take it it's the exact same for TMO's 15 accounts.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Kinsawt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait Zereh, you need to get all the details before you start making your guild look silly.

Winterfresh is gone, completely. He was being played by Durison, the Guild Leader of your guild. And he's not gone for training or some raid dispute, he's gone for 2-Boxing, cheating. Not an officer, a GL. That's 1 finger, same as us, same as VD.

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

No one has had their bans lifted. Are you trying to say because the Trax account was online (our Talendor tracker) that we Perun wasn't/isn't suspended? I saw Durison on last night, are you guys still letting him logged in after he _just_ got an account suspended? Perun is still entirely gone, no one has come back, not Eashan, not Uuaellaen, not any of our apps our members. I'll take it it's the exact same for TMO's 15 accounts.

Durison doesnt play Winterfresh. More TR propaganda to take the shift off the fact their developer guild leader farms data from VP and doesnt develop shit except to live out his 12 year late best guild fantasy.

lol

[Tyen01]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Durison doesnt play Winterfresh. More TR propaganda to take the shift off the fact their developer guild leader farms data from VP and doesnt develop shit except to live out his 12 year late best guild fantasy.

lol

If winterfresh's IP wasn't from texas, it was durison.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Kinsawt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait Zereh, you need to get all the details before you start making your guild look silly.

Winterfresh is gone, completely. He was being played by Durison, the Guild Leader of your guild. And he's not gone for training or some raid dispute, he's gone for 2-Boxing, cheating. Not an officer, a GL. That's 1 finger, same as us, same as VD.

You seem to be forgetting the precedent that has been set for these rules and punishments. Training or 2 boxing is not hacking. The punishment for those offenses has always been suspensions or account bans. That's an important distinction that you disingenuously ignored.

TR/IB officers in the past have trained DA raids. They were suspended. Not banned.

This server has a history. When a member of DA was caught using ShowEQ, his account was permanently banned and his GUILD was suspended from raiding. There was talk then of disbanding DA by development, and they were given a final warning, ONLY because it was a member, not an officer who was caught in the act. Members of the guild were outraged, and several people left the guild in disgust. I don't blame them either. Cheating should be discouraged, regardless. It's a cancer on the integrity of the server as a whole.

Winterfresh was not banned for using showEQ, nor was that account an officer of his guild. If someone is banned for 2 boxing, the precedent is both accounts are banned. If you're caught using showEQ, you're banned and if it involves raiding, the guild suffers as well. Perun even admitted he was actively using ShowEQ during a competitive raid between TMO and TR. This is beyond refute.

It's a dangerous precedent to show a double standard. Your telling the players that's it's perfectly fine to break the rules and cheat. By allowing those members to reapp, you're sending the message that TR doesn't give a sh*t if you cheat. You've admitted publicly they can re-app, and I can guarantee that since Perun was an officer and tight with Xzerion, that he will be accepted back in the guild publicly with consternation, but privately with open arms, with promises of AOE groups plvling him to get his ass back up to 60 ASAP.

[Tyen01]

Winterfresh was not banned for using showEQ, nor was that account an officer of his guild.

I had my doubts. I believe durison boxed winterfresh when fef wasn't online.

Easily.

[Baxter]

Originally Posted by Kinsawt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

Lol thats so funny, you're allowing them to "re-app". Cheaters of the server if you need a home TR would like to have you.

[Tiggle]

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shitbag guild?

How many officers of TMO were banned? I'll give you a hint: No fingers or toes will be needed to count them.

So the ones accused of hacking and magically show up missing the same day all just coincidentally went on vacation that day or got caught in the hurricane after the fact?

wipe it clean

[mimixownzall]

I'm waitin on Red99

[mimixownzall]

****JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE****

When you play those other games, you are aware they are there. Or, at the least, hit an agreement which, if you read it before hitting accept, tells you about the anti-cheat software.

Me not being a cheater (on p99), I don't care what crap they hide as long as they don't mess with stuff outside of EQ.

[Chanur]

Perhaps if they are back on the server they were never banned? Maybe they were suspended, or maybe just maybe they were nothing. No it MUST be corruption because you being wrong is inconceivable.