Some thoughts about cheating on P1999

[Convict]

It's already been established that cheating on a blue server doesn't directly affect the rest of the population as much as it does on a red server.

That doesn't make it any less against the rules.

[Excellio]

Originally Posted by Convict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's already been established that cheating on a blue server doesn't directly affect the rest of the population as much as it does on a red server.

That doesn't make it any less against the rules.

Makes sense.

[Vohl]

I'd have to say that most people here were raised with the notion of good sportsmanship. Play by the rules, respect the game, and so on. The notion of people not doing so probably comes across as a strangely personal betrayal to some of the player base.

I think that, to a lesser extent, some people are looking for a way to increase their standing at the detriment of others. Social dominance games are also part of animal nature.

[Excellio]

Originally Posted by Vohl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Social dominance games are also part of animal nature.

The irony is that even the guy who cheats will likely regret having done so after some time when he accomplishes too much within the game in a short time.

I've noticed that when I play a game like Final Fantasy Tactics (which I play pretty frequently since it's the best game ever made, ever), if I start a new game, play it totally legit, I enjoy the heck out of it and work to accomplish stuff in the game. But when I make use of the glitches to cheat (duping items, learning abilities for free), I just build a super team of characters in the first 2 hours of gameplay, try them out in a fight or two, then get bored with it and never play that save again. The same is true of a game like The Sims. When I build a house by using the money cheat a whole bunch, I spend a lot of time designing an awesome house since I have unlimited money. But then I don't really play the game after designing the house. When I start a game with no cheats, I end up getting a lot more enjoyable time playing than I do when I use cheats.

I'm sure the same must be true of EverQuest. Having never cheated on EverQuest, I can't say this for sure, but it seems like this would be the case.

[RandySlopeJr]

Why you think TMO is getting away with cheating,hacking, an exploiting server?

[Vohl]

Regarding the TMO question, it may well be a "Have you stopped beating your wife?" argument. I think Rogean posted something about a powerful guild not having action taken against it during the suspension announcement. I'm inclined to take him at his word if this applies to TMO.

[Striiker]

I've never looked but aren't there other EMU servers on the server list which aren't hung up on people using hacks to play around? I think there's one with all or most of the GM commands available to players. Why not hop onto one of those servers to play with the tools? I'd advise going out of your way to make sure that you do not impact your P1999 play time by either using separate computer to play with these tools from or at least use some sandbox software to isolate the tools etc. on your normal play computer. This way, there will not be any chance of leaving the tools on by accident or something.

[Vohl]

Reading up on EQEmu and playing on a cheats-allowed server are some nice ideas - I'm sure I'll be putting them into play. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mullling over the whole morality thing, some jerk ran a stop sign in front of me this morning. I had two choices - to brake and let them pass, or to pull in front of them and get hit. I had a few choice things to say as well.

Why would someone who broke the rules and got away with it in the big blue zone bug me? I suppose the consequences for his actions are quite a bit more concrete. Had I been less alert and proceeded when my turn at the 4-way came around, my care would be damaged and I might be hurt. This person also poses a genuine threat to others in the area. Children often ride bikes across this intersection.

Maybe some of us think differently, though, lumping anyone they see doing this sort of thing as a shitbag, then saving up their displeasure for when someone gets caught doing this sort of thing. I know I've cracked a smile when I've seen someone pulled over in the carpool lane with nobody else riding. I'm guessing this reaction could be far more intense with others in the p1999 community.

[mala]

Very nice rebuttal. Care to go into detail about how the cheaters have affected your fun?

Its not like these hacking players sat and corpse camped anyone, but ive sat and seen the effects of these hacks first hand. While lvling up in SK i sat and watched a TR cleric camp a lev cloak with startling accuracy, while this doesnt effect me first hand, its still bullshit watching someone bend the rules in their favor. Which brings the notion to the table, "if he did it why cant I?", which is just not the kind of atmosphere p99 needs.
As far as using these tools to pick apart the server code or dig deeper into things, i don't think this should be tolerated either. Most (if not all) of this information can be found just by digging around alla or simply asking other players, there should be no need to pick away at the code just because you feel the need to know. You think movie directors let people stand on set just to gain insight on how movies are made? or musicians let people stand in the studio to watch them compose/play music?
If you have inquires beyond what is presented in front of you than find a way to answer your questions that doesn't infringe on what the dev's here are trying to do, which is create a level playing field for us to all enjoy what we remember as EQ in 1999.

[Herky]

This forum community sure seems full of know-it-all jerks.