Some thoughts about cheating on P1999

[abedog]

Originally Posted by Vohl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As the saying goes, we hate in others what we see in ourselves.

Amen.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by abedog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Amen.

Don't amen this. It was a total strawman argument to try to make cheating seem 'not as bad as we think it is.'

[pragmus]

Originally Posted by Extunarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't amen this. It was a total strawman argument to try to make cheating seem 'not as bad as we think it is.'

Apparently the only valid argument is one that agrees with his philosophies. If he doesn't like what it's getting at then it's wrong. Google humility. You can't always be right, and for those times when you aren't it would behoove you to not present yourself as a douche.

[Vohl]

Very nice rebuttal. Care to go into detail about how the cheaters have affected your fun?

Edit: The previous comment was @purist.

[Excellio]

Originally Posted by Vohl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Care to go into detail about how the cheaters have affected your fun?

I actually was wondering about this question myself.

Like, now that they're all banned, my experience doesn't really feel that different. I still don't have thousands of plat just like I didn't when the cheaters were going on with their cheating selves. I don't have much luck with kiting in any zone that I try to kite in, in the same way that I wasn't great at kiting back when these guys were duping Fungi Tunics.

... Maybe I'm just lousy at EQ, hah!

I don't know, but really, I can't figure out how this type of cheating directly affected my experience. I'm sure that many other non-cheaters could make the case that the cheaters diminished the experience for them. The truth is, I probably bought gear off of a cheater at a discount price that only a cheater could afford to sell stuff for. I don't know this for sure, and I actually don't have any great gear, so I guess I probably didn't do this.

But now that I think about it further, I do understand why cheating is so frowned upon. If it was accepted, everyone would be doing it and those of us who weren't would not have a game to play when we logged in. And then you'd end up with a watered down version of EQ reminiscent of playing Diablo 1 on the old battle.net thing, where absolutely everyone was using a trainer program.

I guess what I'm asking is for someone to explain how these players using these prohibited programs have affected my experience on P99, and what can I expect to change now that they're not doing it anymore.

[Mbaulmer]

Originally Posted by Vohl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very nice rebuttal. Care to go into detail about how the cheaters have affected your fun?

Its not the fact that those who cheated directly affected what I do in game.
How do I know one of the random people in the PUG I join isn't in some way using 3rd party software and we as a group benefit from it. Or if I am in a zone looking for a PH spawn that roams and some person beats me to it. Were they more observant on the PH's path or were they using something to lead them directly to the mob. (just as a couple of examples)

The fact that cheaters were found active on the server makes scenarios like this plausible. And thats how it affects the general population.

[vageta31]

Originally Posted by Mbaulmer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not the fact that those who cheated directly affected what I do in game.
How do I know one of the random people in the PUG I join isn't in some way using 3rd party software and we as a group benefit from it. Or if I am in a zone looking for a PH spawn that roams and some person beats me to it. Were they more observant on the PH's path or were they using something to lead them directly to the mob. (just as a couple of examples)

The fact that cheaters were found active on the server makes scenarios like this plausible. And thats how it affects the general population.

Guarantee both scenarios have happened, especially scenario number 1. Perhaps that awesome puller in the OT was using tracking to get the best mobs and your exp was better that night than usual. Or the guy in the dungeon who joined the group and wanted to camp a specific camp, and oh surprise the mob is up?!

I wouldn't worry about it, if you legitimately didn't know what does it matter? I'm sure even in RL we all benefit from ill gotten things without realizing it. If you bought an LCD tv off of craigslist for a really good price and later found out it was looted off of a Best Buy truck, would you turn it into the cops if you knew no one else would know?

[purist]

Originally Posted by Vohl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Care to go into detail about how the cheaters have affected your fun?

hm

whoa i'm stumped on that one bro, you truly are a modern day nietzsche tearing down our commonly held beliefs and instutitions

[RandySlopeJr]

Originally Posted by purist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hm

whoa i'm stumped on that one bro, you truly are a modern day nietzsche tearing down our commonly held beliefs and instutitions

lol

[Vohl]

What's funny here is that a poster is up in arms about cheating, yet cannot follow forums rules. Seriously - post something thoughtful yourself that isn't blatant bullying. What have you got to lose?