ive been playing monsters and memories for 2 nights now

[Jontheripper]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you say... cr?

yes but not baby CR like wow or eq, you lose your spellbook too

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

God help me. I'm going to try it.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Jontheripper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes but not baby CR like wow or eq, you lose your spellbook too

I see the future:

Patch Notes 3/16/2027:
...
A new guild has emerged in the local towns, the Conjurers of Fate have appeared. Visit them so they can assist you in retrieving specific items off your corpse... But be prepared to pay the price.
...

People will praise it, then eventually realize how water downed the world has become where danger and loss are just mere words and not threats.

P99 has this same sickness. Guides should NEVER summon decayrd corpses to EC. Bring back real death

[Ekco]

naw, it's just bad game design.

pve mmorpgs aren't built around the concept of full corpse loss on a timer their endless treadmills by design and putting the onus on a single class mechanic like necro summon is also bad.

you can count on one hand with fingers left over the amount of high concept experimental shit like that has actually worked in the history of this genre and that's with devs actually thinking about the problem and actually trying to do it and they still failed, something EQ devs didn't even have time really to think about or make work

they made a cobbled together fantasy theme park and shipped it

the only time ive seen that stuff actually work is in low fantasy pvp games where it's like oh no i lost a full suit of platemail and a +1 sword "oh well" or oh no i lost my ship in eve online that's a bit different than losing a decade worth of raid loot because you didn't log in for a week

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

naw, it's just bad game design.

pve mmorpgs aren't built around the concept of full corpse loss on a timer their endless treadmills by design and putting the onus on a single class mechanic like necro summon is also bad.

you can count on one hand with fingers left over the amount of high concept experimental shit like that has actually worked in the history of this genre and that's with devs actually thinking about the problem and actually trying to do it and they still failed, something EQ devs didn't even have time really to think about or make work

they made a cobbled together fantasy theme park and shipped it

the only time ive seen that stuff actually work is in low fantasy pvp games where it's like oh no i lost a full suit of platemail and a +1 sword "oh well" or oh no i lost my ship in eve online that's a bit different than losing a decade worth of raid loot because you didn't log in for a week

The idea of corpse loss and fear of losing all your hard work was a feature of classic EQ that drove a lot of us to do late night CR or not participate in late night batphone type content. You don't see that in the care near generation of games anymore because "we can't frustrate our user base with a negative experience"

ST and VP keys were not soul bound in era, which added dire risk to those zones should you have a bad wipe

To argue against these things on this server is ridiculous and proves micro penis status

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

There is a market for fear, Mr. Ekco. Perhaps you have forgotten. Perhaps you have grown too soft.

We shall put you in the Agonizer to jostle your memory.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

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I should hope so.

[Ekco]

i do enjoy it though in single player or multiplayer i just think it was/is terribly executed in EQ because it was never meant to be that and wasn't iterated on in the direction at all. It was moving at all times toward what WoW would be and do better as a theme park that printed cash for the companies

only time this stuff actually works is in games purposely designed for it as the stated goal by the devs

[Ekco]

forgot RnF doesn't have edit

you brought up VP key, yeah my dude that was a oversight by the devs and was quickly patched out,

"The Key of Veeshan in EverQuest became soulbound, or more accurately, was changed to remain with the character upon death rather than dropping with the corpse, in a patch around July 19th, 2000. "

as with everything else that caused friction for the playerbase in any way because that's what everquest was designed to be

[kjs86z2]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The idea of corpse loss and fear of losing all your hard work was a feature of classic EQ that drove a lot of us to do late night CR or not participate in late night batphone type content. You don't see that in the care near generation of games anymore because "we can't frustrate our user base with a negative experience"

ST and VP keys were not soul bound in era, which added dire risk to those zones should you have a bad wipe

To argue against these things on this server is ridiculous and proves micro penis status

its 2025 not 2000

aint nobody got time for that no mo'