AC softcap and low level hardcap discussion - Page 17

DeathsSilkyMist · #1 10-19-2025, 03:48 PM

Did one more test without any shield in back or secondary. All tests are 1000 hits. Reposting the first two for easy viewing. This is against https://wiki.project1999.com/Shiel_Glimmerspindle .

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363 AC Test, Nothing in Back Slot, Nothing in Secondary Slot
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DV, Count
19, 373
22, 37
25, 33
28, 31
32, 25
35, 45
38, 26
42, 37
45, 32
48, 36
52, 30
55, 32
58, 41
62, 27
65, 44
68, 29
72, 34
75, 46
78, 33
82, 9

Total Damage = 39093

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363 AC Test, Lodi Shield in Back Slot, Nothing in Secondary Slot
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DV, Count
19, 381
22, 22
25, 33
28, 28
32, 35
35, 39
38, 27
42, 37
45, 37
48, 38
52, 28
55, 32
58, 23
62, 41
65, 41
68, 41
72, 44
75, 31
78, 33
82, 9

Total Damage = 39236

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363 AC Test, Nothing in Back Slot, Lodi Shield in Secondary Slot
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DV, Count
19, 418
22, 29
25, 35
28, 45
32, 29
35, 22
38, 34
42, 36
45, 32
48, 33
52, 25
55, 29
58, 37
62, 32
65, 30
68, 31
72, 29
75, 30
78, 40
82, 4

Total Damage = 37110

This shows that shield AC in the secondary slot does affect mitigation. This is due to the shield AC increasing your softcap. Sadly shield AC in the back slot does nothing. The NPC I was fighting is level 40, so this means the "squelch point" is not affecting the result. My current thought is that the "squelch point" isn't an actual mechanic.

Jimjam · #2 10-19-2025, 04:21 PM

I think this q is a and a but have you tried a shield in back and secondary simultaneously?

Naethyn · #3 10-19-2025, 04:46 PM

I've also been working on a project, but kinda the opposite. In my spare time I've been attacking https://wiki.project1999.com/Corudoth and recording the melee dps. Not sure it is useful, but these type of projects are fun and sometimes revealing.

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DeathsSilkyMist · #4 10-19-2025, 04:56 PM

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I think this q is a and a but have you tried a shield in back and secondary simultaneously?

I did. On the 411 AC test against the level 50 mob I had Sarnak Battle Shield in Secondary and Lodi on my back.

To me the results looked like only the Sarnak Battle Shield was increasing the softcap.

I didn't try that test on speil. However, the results of my previous post show having lodi on back is the same as not having lodi on back, and having 23 AC elsewhere. Personally I highly doubt you'd get a special bonus by having shields in both slots specifically.

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I've also been working on a project, but kinda the opposite. In my spare time I've been attacking https://wiki.project1999.com/Corudoth and recording the melee dps. Not sure it is useful, but these type of projects are fun and sometimes revealing.

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Corudoth is a great parse target. I use him quite a bit to test out different weapons and to get data on theories.

bcbrown · #5 10-19-2025, 05:31 PM

Good data DSM. One question that occurred to me, what weapon was Shiel using for those three tests? As a rogue she'll have a higher piercing skill. I'm on my third test now, and they've all been versus punches, no weapon.

DeathsSilkyMist · #6 10-19-2025, 05:42 PM

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Good data DSM. One question that occurred to me, what weapon was Shiel using for those three tests? As a rogue she'll have a higher piercing skill. I'm on my third test now, and they've all been versus punches, no weapon.

She had a spear of some kind. It wasn't a special graphic, so probably fine steel, combine, or rusty.

I don't believe she spawns with weapons. At least according to the wiki. Out of curiousity, did you give her the weapon? I was a little suprised to see her with a spear, and the Karanas aren't particularly busy on blue.

bcbrown · #7 10-19-2025, 07:06 PM

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I don't believe she spawns with weapons. At least according to the wiki. Out of curiousity, did you give her the weapon? I was a little suprised to see her with a spear, and the Karanas aren't particularly busy on blue.

Pretty sure she spawns with weapons. Since March she's hit me with 1496 crushes, 5405 pierces, and 13168 hand-to-hand.

Jimjam · #8 10-19-2025, 06:46 PM

Thanks for having the patience to reanswer my double shield question DSM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bcbrown · #9 10-19-2025, 07:53 PM

Ok, finished my parses.

No Shield:
1723 hits
71563 total damage
41.534 damage/hit

Shield in back:
1060 hits
44391 total damage
41.878 damage/hit

Shield in secondary:
1397 hits
58285 total damage
41.721 damage/hit

This is awesome, the most-hilarious scenario I outlined the other day is coming true. I'll do a little more data analysis later and give DSM the equal-hit-count analysis he wants, but might be tomorrow before I get to it.

DeathsSilkyMist · #10 10-19-2025, 09:26 PM

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Ok, finished my parses.

No Shield:
1723 hits
71563 total damage
41.534 damage/hit

Shield in back:
1060 hits
44391 total damage
41.878 damage/hit

Shield in secondary:
1397 hits
58285 total damage
41.721 damage/hit

This is awesome, the most-hilarious scenario I outlined the other day is coming true. I'll do a little more data analysis later and give DSM the equal-hit-count analysis he wants, but might be tomorrow before I get to it.

My tests are only using worn AC. Taking a look at your previous comment:

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I just finished a test against Shiel Glimmerspindel, using a 60 druid. Both sides had 198 worn ac and 61 spell ac for a total of 259.

You are using spell AC to go over 200 AC.

My two guesses right now are:

1. Spell AC is not softcapped.
2. Priest softcap may be higher than 200. I haven't locked in any of the softcap values yet. I am using the EQEMU as a starting point.

Our tests aren't 1 to 1 right now since you are using spell AC, and you can't get above 300 AC. It isn't that suprising there may be a difference.

I'll do a spell AC test to see if it gets softcapped.