Question On Swarming

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On paper it would be possible but I think we're long past the point of trusting people to do the right thing.

I regularly buy items in the tunnel, giving my platinum first and asking the person to hand the item to my alt. And I've even gone farther than that: I've lent out key items (eg. a fungal tunic) to nice strangers I've grouped with,

How did I trust people to do the right thing? I didn't: I trusted the staff to enforce the rules they set out (including the "no fraud" one). And I similarly trust them to enforce all the other rules.

You can't pretend you need to trust players to have a rule, when everyone already trusts the staff to enforce every existing rule.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That behaviour can kill zones though and you'd also have people argue over what is a dead zone. "stop doing it when a group comes in" is exactly what wasn't happening and lead us here.

Agreed to an extent, but so many zones are dead on blue and only zem will get them populated. That would make more sense, banning kites from dungeons that receive added zem. It would incentivize bards to group and better learn their class, and those zones would actually be populated, diverting any attention from other dungeons, save for loot.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It should be allowed to swarm in dead zones/areas and if that content isn't being utilized then who is going to complain anyway. Just stop doing it if a group comes and wants to kill things in that area.

Try going into a zone full of these sweatlords and setting up camp...

Chardok AOE as an example (2016): [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


They don't want to be disrupted even though they're the ones being disruptive. It's always the way...

(the thread)

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try going into a zone full of these sweatlords and setting up camp...

Chardok AOE as an example (2016): [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


They don't want to be disrupted even though they're the ones being disruptive. It's always the way...

(the thread)

Who was the GM that was known for DTing and banning players for boxing on the spot? Wish there was more of that for other offenses. Makes some sense why there isn't, but still.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who was the GM that was known for DTing and banning players for boxing on the spot? Wish there was more of that for other offenses. Makes some sense why there isn't, but still.

Ugh I wish I remembered, but I saw this in person in Permafrost. The meth twins were up to shenanigans, and a heroic GM showed up and DTd the druid and banned him, so his corpse laid rotting on the floor of the bear pits for 7 days as a reminder.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try going into a zone full of these sweatlords and setting up camp...

Chardok AOE as an example (2016)

There was no rule against it at the time though, and AOE was also not limited to 25.

Bards just need to have common sense now. Stop trying to swarm in a dungeon area if people show up there. If nobody cares that you're doing it, then there's no problem. GM's aren't going to police something that isn't a problem.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try going into a zone full of these sweatlords and setting up camp...

Chardok AOE as an example (2016): [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]


They don't want to be disrupted even though they're the ones being disruptive. It's always the way...

(the thread)

This Chardok problem was largely caused by the GMs making Skyfire AOE impossible, which was probably the biggest domino that caused all of the zone disruption issues we have to date.

[vales]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This Chardok problem was largely caused by the GMs making Skyfire AOE impossible, which was probably the biggest domino that caused all of the zone disruption issues we have to date.

what was changed?

[Zuranthium]

There is no argument though? It's the rule. You tell them to stop and that's it. No different than any regular instance of "kill stealing", which happens far more often.

[zelld52]

I got threatened with suspension once for peeling mobs off of a bard's kite in City of Mist.

The bard was kiting the entire Arena, Moat, 2nd Floor and 3rd Floor. I had a group that wanted to move to arena. We told the bard we were moving to arena, and to stop pulling the arena mobs. The bard responded "you can only claim 1 spawn its outdoors."

I started peeling mobs off the bards 60+ mob kite and bringing them to our group. The bard send me nasty tell saying I was scrub, noob, loser, lowlife, etc for interrupting his kite. I /ignored the bard and continued to peel off his massive kite.

GM showed up and despawned a mob i peeled while group was fighting it, and told me

(paraphrasing) "let us handle these disputes, don't take your own action. Technically you broke the PnP by disrupting the bard and you are eligible for a suspension"