Are You Letting Visa/Master Card Know You Support Free Speech

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[atomicpaul]

remember the boobs in daggerfall? that was porn video games in the 90's to me

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by atomicpaul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

remember the boobs in daggerfall? that was porn video games in the 90's to me

They had smut books on the bookshelves, too. The Real Barenziah had some extensive bodice ripping if I recall correctly. Whoever* wrote the Daggerfall books was a fantastic author. I'd spend hours reading and rereading the text file folder where they were all stored. A lot of them got carried over to later games.

*Looks like most were written by Ted Peterson. The Barenziah and King Edward books, a fairly huge chunk of the lore covering 25 books, were written by QA tester Marilyn Wasserman who the goddess Mara was named after.

[Ekco]

oh shit i need to download all the TES books for kaia

[Cecily]

"When you locate a bargain, you must ask, 'Why me, God? Why am I the only one who could find this bargain?'"

[loramin]

Look, at the end of the day you're either fine with Visa deciding what you can and can't play (censoring perfectly legal games) ... or you're not.

Also, it's important to understand that it's not just the banned games that you won't get to play: this will have a chilling effect on any future game that might have considered "pornographic" elements ... because game makers (fearing delisting) will now avoid anything that's even close to controversial.

You can clutch pearls all you want:

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But this isn't about protecting children: it's about censoring adults.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, at the end of the day you're either fine with Visa deciding what you can and can't play (censoring perfectly legal games) ... or you're not.

Also, it's important to understand that it's not just the banned games that you won't get to play: this will have a chilling effect on any future game that might have considered "pornographic" elements ... because game makers (fearing delisting) will now avoid anything that's even close to controversial.

You can clutch pearls all you want:

But this isn't about protecting children: it's about censoring adults.

Okay and yes it is censorship I 100% agree. But has Valve condemned the games officially or not beyond admitting they removed them? It's their platform, is it not? I don't see how hard it would be for an official statement saying: 'We own our decision and the decision is ours despite pressure from our payment processors. And we removed the games because we don't want to platform them and won't be monetizing or platforming these games from now on.'

Edit: I don't use steam and haven't for over 15 years. Does steam have a large 'forums' that anyone with a steamid can post in natively? I can see how that being a factor could complicate and might then lead to more censorship like banning mentioning SA games and how that's a slippery slope and perfectly valid concern to want to anticipate.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's about censoring adults.

While they hang out with children.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this will have a chilling effect on any future game that might have considered "pornographic" elements

I am ok with that.

[Cecily]

100%. And with what's going on in the UK, how long do we have before we're doing facial scans for everything? I refused to use Intragram when they pulled that scan your license shit on me years ago. It feels like they're taking the mask off and being a hell of lot more overt about please insert yourself into this database. You know? To protect the children.