Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[Stryker85]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So to recap the list of inanities from DSM/Stryker:

*Using 2 players and several different classes to complete an encounter is the best solo achievement possible

Here you go being a disingenuous piece of shit again. This is why nobody here can take you seriously. HAVING BUFFS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS USING MULTIPLE PLAYERS TO COMPLETE THE ENCOUNTER. The fact that you are trying to use such reductive phrasing tells us everything we need to know about what a deceitful little prick you are.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*Monks need outside buffs to be on the same level as casters for a solo challenge - despite already being extremely advantaged over Wizards, Clerics, Mages, Druids - and when that's not the point of solo challenges to begin with

Yes, monks need outside buffs to be able to keep up with casters, maybe not all casters, but the ones capable of soloing anything significant. And guess what? It's not just about monks! Monks may have the smallest gap to make up between melee and casters, but that rule still applied to same for melees that needed the help from buffs even more, like rogues and warriors.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*Outside buffs aren't an assist since it's only 1 character attacking the MOB, despite the fact that buffs are the same thing, in effect, as another player adding that same amount of DPS/healing during the fight

I don't know if you think people are going to read this list and think you're somehow not insane for making these completely asinine and reductive arguments... like people can't see right through this bullshit. NO, buffs are NOT the same thing as having other players there DPSing, healing, and helping with the fight. You claiming this just shows your own delusional bias.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*People should be able to use as many healing potions as they want even though Soulfire click is disallowed, and the highest tier of challenge should allow a single wort pot even though that's no different than getting buffed by an outside source, which has always been prohibted for casters

Before you deleted the previous rule-set, the "strong clickies" and heal pot rules were clearly defined and abided by for years. It wasn't until I posted my spore king solo vids that triggered your fragile insecurity so badly that you decided to delete everything and posted your own made up standards, for a game that you admittedly don't even play anymore. Remind me again why you should have ANY say in this at all??

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*Spending 5 years grinding for gear on p99 is a skill on the same level as spending 5 years becoming a top ranked Chess player

Now you're just bold faced lying and putting words in my mouth. Anyone can search my post history, I've never once even mentioned the word chess in this forum, much less tried to equate it to video game skill. Again this deceitful behavior is just par for the course for you.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*Ignore the impact of using Avatar and other procs/swapping to maximize a character's capability

I HAVE killed the King with Avatar and 2h toggling the entire fight, multiple times. Remind me again which one of us has solo'd the king numerous times now, and which one of us hasn't done jack and doesn't even play the game anymore? That's what I thought, moron.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*The stated goal of this thread of doing the kill without consumables is worthless, since everyone should slavishly cling onto an outdated wiki page that said so

Again this is just completely reductive and disingenuous logic. Yes, the whole goal was to complete the kill without consumables, but that doesn't mean that the wiki should be changed to fit your own deranged agenda and ridiculous standards like disallowing buffs entirely for melee classes.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*Anyone who thinks the most pure form of soloing is without outside buffs (most of the community) must be jealous and only started feeling that way after this thread was posted. Everyone who discusses and values soloing without outside buffs is only doing so because they want to deny people from playing the game any other way, even when all of those people encouraged the OP to do the kill without consumables and wanted to bring visibility to their video

I literally never said any of that either. I think DSM might be onto something... it seems like your reading comprehension isn't very good, or, more likely, you still just being a disingenuous piece of shit. I think everyone here knows which one it is.

Who are you to decide what the most "pure form of soloing" is? Are you the solo master? Someone who doesn't even play the game anymore?

News flash, this is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Buffs exist for a reason, that is to make things easier or possible when they otherwise would not be. If they were only meant to be used when you were grouped, then they would be coded to fade or not land when you're alone. Anyone with half a brain on these forums can see the fallacies and reductive nature of your arguments, and see right away for themselves that you are not debating in good faith. Putting words in people's mouth and trying to reframe the argument to suit your own narrative isn't going to work here.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So to recap the list of inanities from DSM/Stryker:

*Using 2 players and several different classes to complete an encounter is the best solo achievement possible

*Monks need outside buffs to be on the same level as casters for a solo challenge - despite already being extremely advantaged over Wizards, Clerics, Mages, Druids - and when that's not the point of solo challenges to begin with

*Outside buffs aren't an assist since it's only 1 character attacking the MOB, despite the fact that buffs are the same thing, in effect, as another player adding that same amount of DPS/healing during the fight

*People should be able to use as many healing potions as they want even though Soulfire click is disallowed, and the highest tier of challenge should allow a single wort pot even though that's no different than getting buffed by an outside source, which has always been prohibted for casters

*Spending 5 years grinding for gear on p99 is a skill on the same level as spending 5 years becoming a top ranked Chess player

*Ignore the impact of using Avatar and other procs/swapping to maximize a character's capability

*The stated goal of this thread of doing the kill without consumables is worthless, since everyone should slavishly cling onto an outdated wiki page that said so

*Anyone who thinks the most pure form of soloing is without outside buffs (most of the community) must be jealous and only started feeling that way after this thread was posted. Everyone who discusses and values soloing without outside buffs is only doing so because they want to deny people from playing the game any other way, even when all of those people encouraged the OP to do the kill without consumables and wanted to bring visibility to their video

You left out the part where they justify this point of view using parameters that were bullshit to begin with when they were written pre-Velious... more than 10 years ago.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You left out the part where they justify this point of view using parameters that were bullshit to begin with when they were written pre-Velious... more than 10 years ago.

You left out the part where yourself and Zuranthium have been lying over and over, while hoping people do not go back and read the thread. People can go back through the thread to confirm this.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You left out the part where yourself and Zuranthium have been lying over and over, while hoping people do not go back and read the thread. People can go back through the thread to confirm this.

Between you and me, I don't think either one of us knows what you're talking about at this point.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Between you and me, I don't think either one of us knows what you're talking about at this point.

Anybody reading this thread can go through it and make up their own mind. The odds are not in your favor. You did say one correct thing, so I'll give you credit there:

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The main issue posters like myself and OP have is Zuranthium is trying to claim nothing is solo unless it is self buff only and no consumables.

Dude I've read the thread, you don't need to go quoting Zura at me. I've nothing to say to him because nothing he's said is worth engaging with.

Stryker's kill is obviously a solo kill and obviously impressive. An accomplishment to be proud of. An SAC category of only self-buffed is also a reasonable category.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You left out the part where yourself and Zuranthium have been lying over and over, while hoping people do not go back and read the thread. People can go back through the thread to confirm this.

I've read the thread, and you haven't exactly covered yourself in glory in this thread either. This thread would be a lot better if you didn't spend 50 pages going back and forth with those two idiots. All that it accomplished was to detract and distract from an impressive accomplishment by Stryker.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude I've read the thread, you don't need to go quoting Zura at me. I've nothing to say to him because nothing he's said is worth engaging with.

Stryker's kill is obviously a solo kill and obviously impressive. An accomplishment to be proud of. An SAC category of only self-buffed is also a reasonable category.



I've read the thread, and you haven't exactly covered yourself in glory in this thread either. This thread would be a lot better if you didn't spend 50 pages going back and forth with those two idiots. All that it accomplished was to detract and distract from an impressive accomplishment by Stryker.

Glad to hear you disagree with Zuranthium.

If you read the thread you would see that OP isn't complaining about me. I've been trying to keep this thread on topic. I don't force other people to post.

This thread would be a lot better if posters like Zuranthium and Samoht didn't spam the thread with nonsense and lies. Then myself and OP wouldn't need to respond to it.

Please direct your ire at the actual problem posters. You have a problem with ignoring bad behavior from other posters, and pretending I am to blame for it.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is forcing you to respond. You're not a white knight. You have a mental illness.

Says the poster responding with delusional nonsense and lies non-stop.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree. The issue with this mentality is posters like Zuranthium and Samoht will just flood the thread with bad information, as they already have.

Not all readers have specific posters on ignore (they don't pay attention to forum drama). Not all readers have enough knowledge about the game to know which poster is telling the truth.

You essentially want a forum that has more posts that are lies, character attacks, misinformation, etc., than real posts. I don't want that. Trolls/bullies thrive in an environment where they are allowed to get away with bad behavior. If everybody called them out each time they acted up, they wouldn't get the result they want, and they will get bored. You are giving them what they want.

Dude, read the room. Nobody agrees with you. Here are some examples:

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An SAC category of only self-buffed is also a reasonable category.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But in a vacuum, there's a hierarchy of kills and unbuffed ranks higher. Those types of challenges exist to see how far you can push the class and solo, self buffed and no "strong clickies" is basically the highest step.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it’s laughable that the condition should still exist that it’s ok to not buff casters but melee can be buffed while still competing against the same mobs. This should absolutely be changed

DSM, I don't know what has made you decide to die on this hill more. Believing that you had the intellect to engage with the big boys in this thread, or maybe you just have a hard-on for Sscalez, but it's over, you've lost.

The community has spoken, and the solo artist challenge will be updated for Velious. I suggest that you celebrate the overhaul that's long over due and embrace the changes. You'd be better served to assist with the updates than getting yourself wiki suspended again.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude, read the room. Nobody agrees with you. Here are some examples:







DSM, I don't know what has made you decide to die on this hill more. Believing that you had the intellect to engage with the big boys in this thread, or maybe you just have a hard-on for Sscalez, but it's over, you've lost.

The community has spoken, and the solo artist challenge will be updated for Velious. I suggest that you celebrate the overhaul that's long over due and embrace the changes. You'd be better served to assist with the updates than getting yourself wiki suspended again.

You do realize none of those posts you quoted are supporting Zuranthium's idea that the only kind of solo kill is no consumables and no buffs? They do not agree that OP's video is a group kill with 3 other players as far as I know.

You do realize the solo artist challenge page before the edits from Zuranthium already had different rankings based on if you had outside buffs and if you used strong clickies?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize none of those posts you quoted are supporting Zuranthium's idea that the only kind of solo kill is no consumables and no buffs? They do not agree that OP's video is a group kill with 3 other players as far as I know.

You do realize the solo artist challenge page before the edits from Zuranthium already had different rankings based on if you had outside buffs and if you used strong clickies?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.p...e&oldid=454604

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only

I assume your brain is about to implode while you try to rationalize how wrong you were.