Best solo melee class?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More mana not go out longer

There are other ways to save mana while tanking in a group. Using Tolan's Gloves for snare/agro and using Herbalist's Spade for root procs are two easy wins. You can also just alternate between who roots in a group. Chances are there will be someone else in the group who can root, and they will probably be meditating more often.

If the group is constantly having agro issues, it's probably not solely the Rangers fault. Fixing the group's issues is more efficient than stacking max mana.

[Cecily]

Lol. Did you know you can use 4 second cast items and proc weapons as a replacement for near instant cast, low mana spells? Thank you for sage insights as always.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. Did you know you can use 4 second cast items and proc weapons as a replacement for near instant cast, low mana spells? Thank you for sage insights as always.

If you are having mana issues, the better way to save mana is by not spending it in the first place. Clickies, procs, and other group members (if applicable) help you do this.

I use clickies all the time on my Troll SK to save mana. They work great.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. Did you know you can use 4 second cast items and proc weapons as a replacement for near instant cast, low mana spells? Thank you for sage insights as always.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGMz5gpf_EY

Here is a video of me using nothing but Blood Ember Gauntlets to maintain agro while my 20% hasted pet with dual wield beats a Geo down to 20%. In case you don't bother to watch the video, I am purposely running away from the Geo to show that the agro is on me instead of the pet. This is because mobs will prioritize the player over the pet anyway if they are in melee range.

Am I suggesting that players spam Blood Ember Gauntlets/Tolan Gauntlets to maintain agro? Of course not. But you can see that the gloves generate decent agro by themselves, even with a 5 second cast time. Landing 1-2 Tolan Gauntlet clicks while the mob is running into camp will already give you a decent leg up hate-wise for 0 mana. Tolan Gauntlets are also 1 second faster than Blood Ember Gauntlets, so Rangers have a bit of an advantage there compared to SK's.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is a video of me using nothing but Blood Ember Gauntlets to maintain agro while my 20% hasted pet with dual wield beats a Geo down to 20%.

I use the gloves the same way to aggro-kite ice burrowers once in awhile when I have some other melee partner. Works best with feigners who can blur themselves regularly, but I've also done it with folks who can't. Not something that can or should be used 100% of the time, and nobody's suggesting that, but it's a tool and has its place in the toolbox. In the shadowknight's case I'd say its place got a little bit larger after Disease Cloud got (wrongly) nerfed, but that's of no relevance to a ranger.

That being said I get where Cecily is coming from as well. It's nice having a larger mana pool, don't have to stress it as much, can go longer without needing to sit to meditate. Especially in a raid setting where your meditate breaks are usually timed with raid-wide breaks, you don't want to have to stop when nobody else is stopping. All a matter of building your character to do the jobs you're using it for.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I use the gloves the same way to aggro-kite ice burrowers once in awhile when I have some other melee partner. Works best with feigners who can blur themselves regularly, but I've also done it with folks who can't. Not something that can or should be used 100% of the time, and nobody's suggesting that, but it's a tool and has its place in the toolbox. In the shadowknight's case I'd say its place got a little bit larger after Disease Cloud got (wrongly) nerfed, but that's of no relevance to a ranger.

That being said I get where Cecily is coming from as well. It's nice having a larger mana pool, don't have to stress it as much, can go longer without needing to sit to meditate. Especially in a raid setting where your meditate breaks are usually timed with raid-wide breaks, you don't want to have to stop when nobody else is stopping. All a matter of building your character to do the jobs you're using it for.

Indeed.

And don't get me wrong, I understand that having a larger mana pool has benefits. Any stat increase your character can use will help you.

But one of the problems with Velious-era melee gear is it often lacks +WIS/INT and +Mana. This means increasing your max mana on a melee character often comes at the cost of other stats.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Blerv

Snaggle's Ranger is only getting like 36 WIS and 200 Mana from his current setup if I counted correctly. Obviously if he got more BiS/Near BiS items like white Dragon Helm/Crown of the Kromzek Kings/Crown of Rile, Ring of Destruction, Eye of Cazic Thule, etc. he could have the best of both worlds. But that is a lot of time/DKP.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But one of the problems with Velious-era melee gear is it often lacks +WIS/INT and +Mana. This means increasing your max mana on a melee character often comes at the cost of other stats.

Absolutely untrue. There's plenty of itemization issues in Velious, but finding gear that combines AC/STR/HP + INT/WIS/MANA is not one of them.

[sammoHung]

Necro is the best melee class because they get damage shield, lifetap proc, pet DPS to help, and they can use Staff of the silent star.

[Duik]

If you have more mana you can maybe choose when to med break. It offers choices by allowing you to start lower % but have same mana as your example ranger does.
A suprise pop or wanderer can be dealt with using the extra (useless) mana.

I dunno im just slitballin' here.
Maybe dont dismiss someones opinion out of hand.
If you didnt see that (having more mana offers options), using your logic you are bad.
Disclaimer. There is no disclaimer

[Snaggles]

I’ve just never needed much mana. I’ll get more eventually but it’s just not on my radar. Maybe KT crown over the dragon helm?

My personal unbuffed goal is about 2800 hps, 255 MR, about 150 FR and CR without using 0hp SV gear (will also free up bag slots). With 255 MR and bark pots you can survive a lot of fears. 200 self buffed FR and CR feels very durable in ToV even with low hps.