Best solo melee class?

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It becomes a big deal over time. If your Ranger has 4200 Max HP, that is 1 full HP bar you need to recover every 6 kills using Meljeldin compared to EC + Whip.

Lmk when ya stop using formula and start actually doing what ya theory craft. Why not roll a ranger?

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the data, this is great! It lines up with my DPS calculator as well. It is very cool to see the 73 DPS from EC + Whip is 84% of the DPS of Meljeldin's 87 DPS. This is the same percentage difference as the Gargoyle calculation I did earlier:



My DPS calculator shows 71 DPS for EC + Whip, 89 DPS for Baton + Claw, and 85 DPS for Meljeldin against a 44 Warrior, so those numbers line up well too.

As we suspected, you also took significantly less damage with EC + Whip compared to Meljeldin.

You killed 9 Geos in 777 seconds with Meljeldin, and took 18310 damage. I subtracted 1 kill so we would have the same number of kills for both weapons.

You killed 9 Geos in 995 seconds with EC + Whip, and took 11994 damage.

These are the averages:

1. Meljeldin - 86 seconds per kill, and you take 2034 damage per kill.

2. EC + Whip - 110 seconds per kill, and you take 1333 damage per kill.

This means the Meljeldin user gets 24 extra seconds of recovery downtime per kill. I do not believe you can recover the difference of 701 HP in 24 seconds. If someone thinks you can, let us know. I don't know the most optimal recovery setup for solo Rangers.

I'll give an example recovery plan. You will recover 80 mana in 4 med ticks, so you could Greater Healing every other kill. Fungi + Chloroplast + Sitting is 32 HP/Tick, so you could recover like 128 HP (Regen) + 135 HP (Half of Greater Healing) = 263 HP per 24 seconds. EC + Whip is still +438 HP per kill when you include the extra recovery time Meljeldin gives you.

This means EC + Whip should get you more Geo kills per hour than Meljeldin with this setup due to how much HP recovery time you save.

Thanks for digging into it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

I feel like it could have gone very poorly as well with bad RNG on procs. However, it would have to go abysmal to take more damage per fight (at least based on this small sample). With more Dex, in theory my proc rate would almost double. The last fight I had on the EC/Whip example I didn’t get a slow until around 20%, yet the rune whip must have been helping more than I realized.

Personally the two pieces of info I’m going to think about, are:

1. Just because you don’t get a one-round slow doesn’t mean you shouldn’t hold out a bit longer if the payoff is a 50% reduction.

2. The Whip is not an outstanding weapon so far as BiS goes. It’s not a bad offhand though if you are taking any damage or need the MR. I don’t think the claw would make up for the hps it was offsetting. Claw for the parse; whip for the QoL.

Note: this took a lot longer than the parse time. I expect most melee classes could move much quicker. I tended to end fights at like 10-60% health, even on the top end that isn’t “great” [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] .

I mixed greater healing and sat with the fungi and chloro on. I also refreshed buffs more than needed to make sure they didn’t drop.

[Snaggles]

Oh…and I only had like 3100 self buffed ups with Dain hammer and Skin like Nature (forgot to mention that). Some of those fights were clinchers and I was hovering my mystic cloak to avoid hunting a Rez…never needed it though.

This gear with the Tracker helm, and I swapped out the Mantle for my Sky shoulders. It’s a work in progress…focusing on armor finally.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Blerv

[Cecily]

What's the total time on your anti-dps setup, Snaggles? Note Cek sword and baton/claw perform the same. Nice fucking MR btw. That might beat Cecily's. Yeah it does. Jesus christ.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Cecily
https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Zalea

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's the total time on your anti-dps setup, Snaggles? Note Cek sword and baton/claw perform the same. Nice fucking MR btw. That might beat Cecily's. Yeah it does. Jesus christ.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Cecily
https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Zalea

Ugh sorry, typo. 995 seconds.

Haha thanks btw!

[Cecily]

Subjectively, which combo felt best / lowest stress? Really only metric that matters for soloing. Primal bow pulls for avatar + Meljeldin, Bane of the Giants feels best for me, but EC + Whip is stupid good sustain.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Subjectively, which combo felt best / lowest stress? Really only metric that matters for soloing. Primal bow pulls for avatar + Meljeldin, Bane of the Giants feels best for me, but EC + Whip is stupid good sustain.

That’s a good question. The brain is tricky because I was probably the most comfortable with the Meljeldin just logically knowing I’d get bigger ripostes and get hit by less. I’m used to a lumpy 2h and for most stuff it’s my go-to. The DW dps combo was concerning as I was hoping of 100dd procs, despite being rather close (statistically).

The EC and Whip initially was freaky knowing it was a bit of a gimmick. I didn’t factor how many times an offhand weapon will still proc, or that when running id preproc a rune for the next fight. The whip in the MH on a slowed Geo the ranger felt more like a real melee. One fight I pulled two and rooted one, then killed then back to back. Maybe two greens but with an early slow proc on the first I wasn’t worried at all.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s a good question. The brain is tricky because I was probably the most comfortable with the Meljeldin just logically knowing I’d get bigger ripostes and get hit by less. I’m used to a lumpy 2h and for most stuff it’s my go-to. The DW dps combo was concerning as I was hoping of 100dd procs, despite being rather close (statistically).

The EC and Whip initially was freaky knowing it was a bit of a gimmick. I didn’t factor how many times an offhand weapon will still proc, or that when running id preproc a rune for the next fight. The whip in the MH on a slowed Geo the ranger felt more like a real melee. One fight I pulled two and rooted one, then killed then back to back. Maybe two greens but with an early slow proc on the first I wasn’t worried at all.

so ya parsed about same 1h and 2h, but 1h would reposite more. the gimick of earthcaller and silver whip did half the dmg roughly which is terrible, id rather sit/heal/have c2 and chill than take half the time getting beat with ranger defense. sure slow off the rip is nice but we know how proccing goes. to each their own i aint gonna rely on procs tho.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so ya parsed about same 1h and 2h, but 1h would reposite more. the gimick of earthcaller and silver whip did half the dmg roughly which is terrible, id rather sit/heal/have c2 and chill than take half the time getting beat with ranger defense. sure slow off the rip is nice but we know how proccing goes. to each their own i aint gonna rely on procs tho.

Oh I get that too. I don’t like gambling but should I have to tank stuff it’s a solid answer. Besides just logging in a tank of course.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh I get that too. I don’t like gambling but should I have to tank stuff it’s a solid answer. Besides just logging in a tank of course.

so is killing it twice as fast so you aint getting beat on. more dps=less dmg you take. people here dont seem to get that. can slow weapons be optimal? if you have god rng sure. can they be useful in small grouping where you are the tank and the mobs are harder than you can solo ie: juggs? sure. will i use it just grinding blue con mobs? no.