Best solo melee class?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m all for learning and teaching. Much of EQ falls into dogma though, recycled over the years with the applied confidence of a misspelled tattoo. Not accounting for timeline patches or modern application of tactics.

The MH/OH myth is just a funny one because you can test it with a level 1 monk and a Fire Beetle eye. Some people would rather argue on Discord than log in and know for certain.

As an aside, my presumption is that Naethyn meant maxed skill, str, level. A Meljeldin at 60 hits for a max of 275; with Avatar you just do a lot more hits on the upper end of the spectrum.

Yeah as I said in my previous post, you won't get a larger maximum hit via ATK (or STR) if you are already damage capped. But if you aren't damage capped, then ATK will increase your maximum hit.

As for MH/OH, that is something you can miss, because many people on P99 do not naturally put fire beetle eyes in their offhands. These days a lot of players start with haste items and low delay weapons on both hands. That is why I didn't catch the independent offhand timer initially. I had to go out of my way to get a specific item to test it. I used a 60 delay 2h weapon on my Monk unhasted and checked how many times I could fistweave between mainhand swings. Most P99 players aren't using high delay weapons unhasted on Monks, or non weapon items.

It can be easy to miss max hit increases too. The chances of getting a max hit when you aren't damage capped is quite low, so it can be tough to test. Corudoth is a good test target for max hits. Also if you have been BiS for years with a Primal, you can probably forget what it's like to not be at the damage cap.

[Snaggles]

Or of course, just equip a thin bone wand, stein, or any other non-weapon in the MH.

[zelld52]

This has come full-circle, because bards with Drums of the Beast mainhand and epic offhand will still attack.

Maybe... that does.. make them...

Melee characters....

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has come full-circle, because bards with Drums of the Beast mainhand and epic offhand will still attack.

Maybe... that does.. make them...

Melee characters....

This is true. Also, a daring move for page 20 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Naethyn]

ATK increases maximum damage if by that you mean the total damage in a fight. ATK does not increase your maximum hit.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ATK increases maximum damage if by that you mean the total damage in a fight. ATK does not increase your maximum hit.

ATK does increase your maximum hit if you are not capped already at the 285 percent damage cap. I tested it quite thoroughly on my SK. I have a 200 max damage hit with Epic and no ATK buffs. After putting on an ATK item or buff (these items/buffs did not have STR on them), my max hit would go up to 202 or 203, depending on the ATK amount added. This lines up with EQEMU code as well. I did multiple long parses to confirm it.

[Naethyn]

https://youtu.be/eYr3aGFxjlQ

[Knuckle]

It's the monk every single time, with or without fungi tunic. Paladin or SK is probably close 2nd. My SK was pretty good but without mana hes just a slower monk even with best twink gear and fungi/FT2 helm.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the monk every single time, with or without fungi tunic. Paladin or SK is probably close 2nd. My SK was pretty good but without mana hes just a slower monk even with best twink gear and fungi/FT2 helm.

I found the opposite to be true. My SK could go hours killing with no breaks if you knew where to fear kite in tight quarters. The hole and HS specifically, whereas my monk had to still constantly take breaks to bandage and struggled with casters, both equally twinked. I suppose it all depends on where you hunt though. I feel like an SK in this state of Velious is more of a pure solo class than a monk is, but I'm not denying that monks are an overall superior class. Also if you get lucky with a POTG or have someone to log in your druid bot that solves most of the SK mana problem.

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I found the opposite to be true. My SK could go hours killing with no breaks if you knew where to fear kite in tight quarters. The hole and HS specifically, whereas my monk had to still constantly take breaks to bandage and struggled with casters, both equally twinked. I suppose it all depends on where you hunt though. I feel like an SK in this state of Velious is more of a pure solo class than a monk is, but I'm not denying that monks are an overall superior class. Also if you get lucky with a POTG or have someone to log in your druid bot that solves most of the SK mana problem.

Most recently, crystal caverns, spiders or geos. Found my monk cleared everything significantly faster with IFS + 36% haste + fungi than my SK could accomplish fear kiting in similar gear with the 40/40 2h reaver.