Patch Notes: Sunday, June 1st, 2025

[Potus]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this is true... they never played their game until release?

I find it hard to believe they gave snare to multiple classes early on and never figured out it would let players outrun mobs. Or having the beefiest/fastest player bringing mobs to the group was unforseeable. FD splitting is more advanced but why even bother giving harmony/lulls to like 8 classes if it isn't for pulling?

Like if you told me they didn't foresee AE groups that's one thing but kiting? They thought people would just make roaming bands of murder hobos?

They literally thought the game would be entire groups of players moving through areas slowly as they explored and roleplayed. They didn't envision stuff like camping mobs. They were really surprised people sat at one spot for hours. Snare is to prevent runners. Lull and harmony are to break up monsters as you move into rooms. FD splitting and pulling was not part of the "vision" at all.

They never thought about 99% of the stuff in the game, they didn't even know what they were making at the time.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They literally thought the game would be entire groups of players moving through areas slowly as they explored and roleplayed. They didn't envision stuff like camping mobs. They were really surprised people sat at one spot for hours. Snare is to prevent runners. Lull and harmony are to break up monsters as you move into rooms. FD splitting and pulling was not part of the "vision" at all.

They never thought about 99% of the stuff in the game, they didn't even know what they were making at the time.

Nah I believe the devs have said they envisioned that kiting might be a strategy with snare, which was why DoT damage being reduced if not snared was quickly added in the classic era when the devs realized that yes kiting was being used, which was expected, but that people weren't actually using snare to help do it because they could just outrun with SoW etc.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They literally thought the game would be entire groups of players moving through areas slowly as they explored and roleplayed. They didn't envision stuff like camping mobs. They were really surprised people sat at one spot for hours. Snare is to prevent runners. Lull and harmony are to break up monsters as you move into rooms. FD splitting and pulling was not part of the "vision" at all.

They never thought about 99% of the stuff in the game, they didn't even know what they were making at the time.

He is 100% correct here. I recall reading Brad interviews about him and the team confused on why people were content to sit in 1 spot all day in a dungeon instead of crawling around. Same with FD, I recall him saying it was intended to be a 'avoid death' situation, but when they started using it for splitting they kind of shrugged their shoulders at it. Man... they really should have made that thing a 6 min timer or something.... would be glorious.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

emergent gameplay in MY everquest? well I never...

original devs also never foresaw kiting, pulling, or people being giant greedy dickbags but here we are

Oh, they definitely knew about people being greedy and murderous. They had experience with MUD's and Everquest was built to have people fighting over NPC's. They simply didn't like from certain MUD's that getting the killing blow on an NPC gave that person all the exp. Their fix was making it so the group who did the highest amount of damage got the exp.

Kiting and pulling being emergent are things that make sense with the spells being used to do it. Pets that are just meant to be dumb magical blobs being able to instantly detect NPC's from miles away? Nonsensical and never something they'd keep around.

[branamil]

*Mobs frequently fall through the world and glitch out*

But hey at least Gleeblorx Florkblop won't sell muffin mix anymore because the 3 players that bought it were having an out-of-era baking experience!!

[oracle333]

My friend said they removed the swords from the OOT sisters. Is that true? Why??

[DeathsSilkyMist]

People often forget how little time goes into internal QA vs. customers playing the game. If you have a QA team of 100 people (that's a big QA team), you are getting 200,000 QA hours per year across the entire game from start to finish if they work 40 hours per week. This also includes features that get cut.

If you have 50,000 players play the game at launch, they will collectively reach 200,000 hours in 4 hours after launch. Players play the game way more than the devs. That's why players find bugs and unexpected ways to play.

[Jimjam]

Early 3d shoot em ups like Duke Nukem, side scrolling platformers like Sonic and top down rpgs like Zelda taught me in adventures to always push the boundaries of a game and find ‘secret areas’, so in any new adventure game I always try to get out of bounds/discover ‘secret areas’ in any new game, often ending up in me doing the game out of sequence (you weren’t meant to be able to climb into that area yet as you don’t have the proper item/mount/pokemon type thing).

I don’t blame it on QA, but there does seem to be a shift away from encouraging that kind of exploration.

[Goregasmic]

The QA I've done was on single player but it was mainly about finding bugs and making sure game mechanics and menus worked. Not sure to what extent they had people actually testing the group content beyond mechanics.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The QA I've done was on single player but it was mainly about finding bugs and making sure game mechanics and menus worked. Not sure to what extent they had people actually testing the group content beyond mechanics.

You also get players who enjoy bug hunting or call any strange interaction a glitch.

Eg in pokemon gen 1 there are a few bugs, but you can do most play throughs without them really being a big issue, but you get players who do ditto vs ditto matches claiming the match is a glitch (the only move ditto can do is transform, which copies the opponent’s moves and gives 5 charges to each move, so ditto vs ditto they end up just keep copying and recopying transform off each other, never running out of charges. Imo that isn’t a glitch, that is working as intended).

So yeah, players will seek out glitches and will classify things in game very openly as glitches to ‘prove a point’ about how ‘glitchy’ a game is.