Game Mechanics: Bard Mana Regen

[stonedead]

I may be mistaken here, but bard mana regen seems to be bugged. My UI is showing 1 mana per tick standing and 2 sitting. I believe this is correct with max (1) meditate, however even with mana songs such as Cantana of Soothing or Cassindra's Chorus of Clarity, I'm only still getting 1 mana per tick (standing) and no separate ticks for either. My current theory is however bards are coded to limit mana regen to 1 or 2 may also be negating the song effects, although I haven't tried Clarity or POTG to confirm if it's not just something related to the songs being used on self or something else entirely.

[Kavious]

This is how Bard mechanics work. They do not benefit mana from songs, clarity etc

The only thing you can get is Flowing Thought 1 which will increase it to 2 standing and 3 sitting. Generally all a Bard uses mana for is the higher level charms

[Videri]

This is correct. The FAQ section of the Bard article on the wiki says this:
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Furthermore, this non-bug has been reported before.

https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=433268

https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289885

In the future, please make sure to search these forums and the wiki before posting a bug report.

[stonedead]

For the record, I did try to search the forums. I searched bard mana regen and looked at a few pages without any luck. Just because you have encountered this issue already and knew, doesn't mean you have to lay on the passive aggressive bullshit when this is a very obscure mechanic that has almost no reason to come up in conversation... hence MY DISCLAIMER that I may be mistaken here.

Additionally, even if I had saw the FAQ (which is completely unreasonable to expect everyone to do before questioning if something is a bug... specifically this being on a completely different site and at the very bottom of a very long post under "Bard"), I'd still question whether this mechanic was accurate to classic since they patched the bard mana songs multiple different times on early live. Just to prove my point; the fact that flowing thought even affects bard "mana" regen is counterintuitive to the statement that "bard's mana isn't really the same resource as spellcaster's mana". If it wasn't, then why would a worn item that increases MANA REGENERATION work the same way on bards as it does on other classes?

Furthermore, since this is so obvious to you Potatus - Guild Leader of Castle and clearly the esteemed diplomat and empathetic poster, why would other bard songs affect the bard while this very specific aspect of songs does not? To that point, the health regeneration part of something like Cantana of Soothing does appear to work, but the mana side (literally has the effect: 2: Increase Mana by 5 per tick) does not?? I'd again point to flowing thought (literally has the effect: 2: Increase Mana by 1 per tick) working, but somehow mana regen from other effects so obviously and blatantly shouldn't? Why would they label it MANA COST on the songs and MANA in the UI if it's not actually mana? And if it's really not mana, why does it appear to be mana in every other aspect; and how is all of this just so obvious that someone deserves to be sh*t on for being confused?

It is my opinion you're not being helpful to the community when you share information in this way. I get it.... you saw this come up before, but it's clearly not as intuitive as you think and perhaps you should allow people to be confused and/or mistaken without being an _____.

[Rygar]

It's the original devs choice dude (the ones who started EQ in 1999), probably a balance mechanic. Not everything in EQ makes sense.

[Taydris]

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For the record, I did try to search the forums. I searched bard mana regen and looked at a few pages without any luck. Just because you have encountered this issue already and knew, doesn't mean you have to lay on the passive aggressive bullshit when this is a very obscure mechanic that has almost no reason to come up in conversation... hence MY DISCLAIMER that I may be mistaken here.

Additionally, even if I had saw the FAQ (which is completely unreasonable to expect everyone to do before questioning if something is a bug... specifically this being on a completely different site and at the very bottom of a very long post under "Bard"), I'd still question whether this mechanic was accurate to classic since they patched the bard mana songs multiple different times on early live. Just to prove my point; the fact that flowing thought even affects bard "mana" regen is counterintuitive to the statement that "bard's mana isn't really the same resource as spellcaster's mana". If it wasn't, then why would a worn item that increases MANA REGENERATION work the same way on bards as it does on other classes?

Furthermore, since this is so obvious to you Potatus - Guild Leader of Castle and clearly the esteemed diplomat and empathetic poster, why would other bard songs affect the bard while this very specific aspect of songs does not? To that point, the health regeneration part of something like Cantana of Soothing does appear to work, but the mana side (literally has the effect: 2: Increase Mana by 5 per tick) does not?? I'd again point to flowing thought (literally has the effect: 2: Increase Mana by 1 per tick) working, but somehow mana regen from other effects so obviously and blatantly shouldn't? Why would they label it MANA COST on the songs and MANA in the UI if it's not actually mana? And if it's really not mana, why does it appear to be mana in every other aspect; and how is all of this just so obvious that someone deserves to be sh*t on for being confused?

It is my opinion you're not being helpful to the community when you share information in this way. I get it.... you saw this come up before, but it's clearly not as intuitive as you think and perhaps you should allow people to be confused and/or mistaken without being an _____.

I agree. That passive aggressive response was toxic. You could try helping and try *not* being a jerk, potato or whatever you are.