Would EQ be more fun if they made it hard again?

[onmove_broke]

If you want to make the game "Harder" start a new server and make it 100% classic. Classic UI, Looking at your book till 35 etc. Giving mobs more HP and just making every mob a sponge is boring.

The problem is everyone knows what items to get, where to exp, what to avoid and where to fight. You would need to make the game completely different..like adding new zones, switching up loot, creating new mobs with loot tables. I do not think any of the ideas here make the game harder but just more annoying and will drive people away. Not many people have 10+ hours a day to play a 25 year old game either, so you limit the amount of people who play.

I think a game like Evercraft or Monsters and memories will scratch that itch.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by onmove_broke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to make the game "Harder" start a new server and make it 100% classic. Classic UI, Looking at your book till 35 etc. Giving mobs more HP and just making every mob a sponge is boring.

The problem is everyone knows what items to get, where to exp, what to avoid and where to fight. You would need to make the game completely different..like adding new zones, switching up loot, creating new mobs with loot tables. I do not think any of the ideas here make the game harder but just more annoying and will drive people away. Not many people have 10+ hours a day to play a 25 year old game either, so you limit the amount of people who play.

I think a game like Evercraft or Monsters and memories will scratch that itch.

This is such a dead horse topic. If they could make it 100% classic in terms of the client, they would. There are limitations because it's the titanium client, not the original velious-era client, so they get as close as they can. You *do* have to open your spellbook on p99 to med until the point in the timeline where that was removed. They can't make the spellbook take up the entire screen though, because the little letterbox window view is completely missing from the titanium client.

Making "unclassic" changes to rules and certain mechanics in order to curb unclassic behavior is not itself an unclassic endeavor; the original devs in 1999 were also changing things on the fly to respond to emergent player behavior. They literally cannot make both the client and how everyone plays the game identical to 1999, so they do the best they can to make it close.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by onmove_broke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to make the game "Harder" start a new server and make it 100% classic. Classic UI, Looking at your book till 35 etc. Giving mobs more HP and just making every mob a sponge is boring.

The problem is everyone knows what items to get, where to exp, what to avoid and where to fight. You would need to make the game completely different..like adding new zones, switching up loot, creating new mobs with loot tables. I do not think any of the ideas here make the game harder but just more annoying and will drive people away. Not many people have 10+ hours a day to play a 25 year old game either, so you limit the amount of people who play.

I think a game like Evercraft or Monsters and memories will scratch that itch.

By harder I didn't necessarily mean grindier. The grind on Pantheon is one of the things that really turns me off right now. It feels like unless I am going to log into the game for a solid 6 hours I might as well just go do something else. So a lot of times I want to play, but realize I can't make any meaningful progress with the amount of time I have available to actually be in the game.

With EQ I always felt like 2-3 hours in the game was rewarding even if it was only spent traveling or trying to auction items.

[onmove_broke]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By harder I didn't necessarily mean grindier. The grind on Pantheon is one of the things that really turns me off right now. It feels like unless I am going to log into the game for a solid 6 hours I might as well just go do something else. So a lot of times I want to play, but realize I can't make any meaningful progress with the amount of time I have available to actually be in the game.

With EQ I always felt like 2-3 hours in the game was rewarding even if it was only spent traveling or trying to auction items.

You could always shake things up a bit by moving things around to break up what people know about zones. Re-populate a zone like Black Burrow to be way harder with a new loot table or shake up Upper and Lower guk a bit.

Or just do self found if you want a harder challenge or play a harder class. Otherwise there is not much you can do aside from making mobs damage sponges or make them cast more.

[wuanahto]

nah, live tried that and look how that turned out and where we ended up.

[Gozuk]

Actually it's the opposite for me. I'm playing on The Hero's Journey server and it's the most fun I've had on EQ in a good while.

[shovelquest]

I love live TLP servers! They are so easy and fun.

[Ciderpress]

It's not just the game itself there are peripheral problems that I don't think can possibly be solved. Discord alone totally cheeses so many aspects of the game. Not voice chat per se, discord specifically.

That being said I fully agree with everything in the op. Also raid leaders here seem to get way angrier when somebody messes up. Every guild has some asshole that just frightens newer members because oh my god how could you mess up this thing you've never done before gawwwwd.

[richice]

The fact that it doesn’t cost anything to make multiple accounts also impacts the game. How many guilds have a raid team of just shared accounts that are more geared than the players driving them?

[Old_PVP]

First, they need to revert all non-classic changes they ever made to the server. Second, they need the classic UI. Ban all custom UIs. Disable all voice chat programs. So much QoL now, people have forgotten what classic was really like. And wtf, do necros even summon corpses anymore? Don't think i've ever seen someone seeking the services of a necro.