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Old 01-12-2025, 05:32 PM
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Companies should make as much money as they deserve to make based on the value they provide to society, because companies are made up of thousand of individual employees who need to get paid. It's impossible to know what kinds of cool shit might have been developed by now if not for piracy, because it was never developed, because of piracy.

Lots of "I'm entitled to your labor for some reason I can't quite articulate" going on itt. Is *anyone* still an unashamed capitalist around here?
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Old 01-12-2025, 05:37 PM
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fuck companies and fuck anyone who sticks up for them.
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Old 01-12-2025, 05:43 PM
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Shovel, I need a new piece of software to do some amazing thing I want to do. When you have an open weekend can you develop that for me for free?
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Old 01-12-2025, 05:50 PM
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Shovel, I need a new piece of software to do some amazing thing I want to do. When you have an open weekend can you develop that for me for free?
Your strawman is a red harring.

1. Adblock and piracy losses are less than loss prevention costs

2. The only profit made by AdBlock changes are on the executive level, not on the creative levels.

3. new products that are valuable are created at new companies, not old corperations that dont want to compete with themselves.

4. your argument, while hopeful, and coming from a good place... is just not based on reality and instead is a delusion that uneducated lead poisoned boomers who had everything handed to them.

5. facebook became the biggest tech company on the planet from nothing, based purely on not having advertisements, and providing a service for free.

6. Same with youtube.

7. Same with google.

8. Same with apple.

9. Same with Open AI.

10. etc. etc. etc.
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Old 01-12-2025, 06:01 PM
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*Let software mean the product of their labor which can be reproduced infinitely as the company may choose.
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Old 01-12-2025, 06:03 PM
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The fact that I have to explain to multiple generations why mega corporations, monopiles, and supporting advertisements is bad.

Well... that's why I'm braiding my fingers wishing for ww3. We failed and it's time to see if the next species or whatever we re-evolve into have a shot.
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Old 01-12-2025, 06:17 PM
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Look at the internet before and after the web2.0 genz/melinial hellscape they replaced it with.

One was literally free of advertising and everything was piriated.

The other is fucking literally causing the end of the world.
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Old 01-12-2025, 06:41 PM
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Another weird observation about this topic:

Nobody ever gets mad at powerball winners, even though they probably fit the bill of "not earning their money" way, way more than any CEO of any company?
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Old 01-12-2025, 09:34 PM
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Another weird observation about this topic:

Nobody ever gets mad at powerball winners, even though they probably fit the bill of "not earning their money" way, way more than any CEO of any company?
Because everyone assumes they are going to blow it all. Or die. Winning the lottery was the worst thing to ever happen to some people

Any person with a dangerous substance dependency who is handed a huge pile of money is at risk of a fairly quick death
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Old 01-12-2025, 07:04 PM
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Anyway if Lars was completely right, software programmers should get royalties/residuals too.
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