Bard swarm kiting or zone disruption?

[Ciderpress]

Lol there are lot of other classes in the game to envy but mostly people just hate bards for some reason try again

[Ciderpress]

An important part of the rationale for this change that I think deserves highlighting is that the mere possibility of a bard swarming in CoM actively discourages people from going there in the first place. There aren't gonna be petitions about zone disruption if nobody is in the zone because a bard is there swarming- giving that bard a false impression that it's no big deal and he's not disrupting other players. So I think getting a group into the dungeon to XP in exchange for losing one bard is a fair trade.

[Stakorian]

Why would it dissuade anyone? The only viable time to swarm is very early in the morning when no one is around, or when there aren't people soloing the second and third floor camps.

"CC"

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"Moving to Moat." or "Taking cloud stairs." or "Taking 2nd/3rd floor."


Any of those camps get claimed and the swarm is cut off at the knees, which is fine. Just come back when no one else is there. The real issue is often that a single group wants the entire first floor to be their own personal playground. It's ignorance of the actual mobs involved in the swarm, and an irrational loathing for its going on.

Countless times people have shown up and the zone has filled and I just logged until no one was there.

What's the bard going to say? "I'm camping it all." Do other groups say that concerning camps disappearing as the zone fills up?

Misinformation and rampant tear time has led to the current status.

There is a way to social much of the Moat mobs into the swarm, but there is also a way to leave most outside of it if the zone has a group operating on the first floor. It's a very easy pull. One that takes little effort to control, and a reaver that can be managed without issue.

People avoiding a dungeon because a bard is killing mobs they would never pull, in a small section they don't travel, is laughable. Sure, maybe the bard dies, and the mobs return back. At stables that is irrelevant. Same with Temple. Same with Arena as long as the puller doesn't just rush around a corner.

Prime time with many groups and the bard is dick. And all it would take is a single group moving to Moat or a character claiming a camp on the 2nd floor and the pull is not possible. That is when comes the time for a petition. I very much doubt that bards have caused more drama than slower groups of neckbeards bullying their way into camps. But swarming is a vile word to the minds of the meek, and unfortunately the wailing of bad clickers was listened to.

But anyone who avoided going to CoM because a bard was there is just wrong.

[Ciderpress]

No the issue is that the possibility a bard even *might* be in there swarming poisons the well for that zone. I'm not trying to denigrate your skill as a bard, I have swarmed quite a bit and it's super tedious and does take a certain talent, and I'm sure you're the most polite bard the server has ever seen, but it's just a cost\benefit thing in terms of staff resources.

[Jimjam]

Why do mobs drop out of the sky at stables when bards are swarming upstairs? I’m not saying bards are causing it, just wondering why and how it happens.

[dajudge]

Absolutely pathetic. Any move towards making p99 closer to retail/progression server EQ is a step in a real shitty direction. The beauty of p99 has always been classic first, your hurt feelings are disregarded. If someone is being shitty take note of the name and shit list them, that's classic.

Taking away an entire classes ability to exp is never the right answer. Might as well get melody and restrict bards ability entirely from swarming. A real progression-like move.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by dajudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Absolutely pathetic. Any move towards making p99 closer to retail/progression server EQ is a step in a real shitty direction. The beauty of p99 has always been classic first, your hurt feelings are disregarded. If someone is being shitty take note of the name and shit list them, that's classic.

Taking away an entire classes ability to exp is never the right answer. Might as well get melody and restrict bards ability entirely from swarming. A real progression-like move.

Yeah see I half agree with this the problem is no amount of "shit listing" stops them from just doing it anyway.

Can still swarm in outdoor zones and annoy the players there instead. That's compromise!

[Duik]

Waa its the ONLY WAY I CAN LEVEL!
Sorry you cant group.
We are sorry you can pull 25 mobs and slowly kill them all in a way no other class can, even the multi kiting classes. Sorry bub. 4 tops except if you are the singing twat.
Also, I appreciate a good swarm kite. Just not near me.

Bards are arguably a great group augmentation class. But it got twisted (see what I did there?) into an antisocial zone disrupter whos feelingz get hurt if people dare to call that shit out. Your feelz dont matter.

Wanna speed run lvls? Go for it, just dont fuck everyones day doing it.

[zelld52]

It's not just bards.

How about the level 60 mages who are too bad at the game to farm anything meanwhile running through Paineel clearing every single guard spawn with their pet, while refusing to claim a specific spawn while level appropriate players fight for scraps to get exp?

Or the countless near-level 60 players in who are too bad at the game to farm anything meanwhile running through Sol A clearing every single goblin spawn while refusing to claim a specific camp while level appropriate players fight for scraps to get exp?

[Jimjam]

Bit different fighting a handful of mobs at a time to claiming most of the mobs in an area at a single time.