Are we allowed to like AI art?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is an interesting take.

https://lithub.com/nanowrimo-defends...hole-internet/

Ableism and privilege standing in the way?

Oh god don't start this, I already went through it on Slashdot.

Nanowrimo is not a competition: it's a "motivate yourself to write that novel you've always wanted to, by setting an arbitrary deadline (the month of November)" challenge. For someone with (say) ADHD, LLMs might make it easier for them to complete the challenge ... they're not trying to suggest that if your legs don't work, you need AI.

But really, who gives a crap about how some random stranger works on their novel in the privacy of their own home?

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For someone with (say) ADHD, LLMs might make it easier for them to complete the challenge ... they're not trying to suggest that if your legs don't work, you need AI.

So again, someone with a inherited genetic condition benefits, and we're supposed to cry foul?

But really, who gives a crap about how some random stranger works on their novel in the privacy of their own home?

eggs-actly.

[shovelquest]

But, without the use of humans to teach it our hard earned lessons.

The clergy said this about printing press... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Religious leaders condemned the new books as the Devil’s work. In 1501, Pope Alexander VI even threatened to excommunicate anyone caught printing books without the church’s permission. The clergy worried what it would do for learning generally, while monk-scribes worried about their jobs.

(ofc I definitely think Dune, or Foundation's take on AI is a possible future, and maybe terminator even that is possible easily).

Right now I do like AI but I also fear what it may become. So I don't totally disagree with you either Duik, I just enjoy the debate because whatever the potential, it's great!

A.I. It suits the lame and under educated.

So, like the breakthrough we call the age of enlightenment. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone has the same capacity of sensation, and, therefore, education should not be restricted to a certain class or gender. Prior to the 17th and 18th centuries, education and literacy were generally restricted to males who belonged to the nobility and the mercantile and professional classes. In England and France, “idealized notions of domesticity, which emphasized the importance of preparing girls for motherhood and home duties, fuelled the expansion of schooling for girls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educat...ent#cite_ref-4

[Duik]

Regarding databases interogated (using human knowledge) but iterating millions (billions?) of times in short order to cure <insert disease/ailment> is a good use of A.I.
An ADHD writer using it to keep on track? Sure, but we all know it will not stop there. Dont we?

You think that someone (who has pumped millions into it) wont question an A.I with "How can I better subjugate the masses without them being aware better than we are now?"

In before you say LLMs are not allowed certain concepts. Pfft, if you believe that there truely is no hope.
The owners who have pumped in billions of dollars will WANT THEIR FUCKING MONEY BACK.
And will do whatever it takes to get their money back.

The fact you are using chatgpt to summerize the thread is like a recursive loop that cannot be exited without human interaction.

I am sad for you, and by extension us.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regarding databases interogated (using human knowledge) but iterating millions (billions?) of times in short order to cure <insert disease/ailment> is a good use of A.I.
An ADHD writer using it to keep on track? Sure, but we all know it will not stop there. Dont we?

You think that someone (who has pumped millions into it) wont question an A.I with "How can I better subjugate the masses without them being aware better than we are now?"

I fully agree the "human" element is dangerous.

But I would imagine that to get to the stage where 1 person could in secret ask an AI to do what you suggest here, and get an actionable or productive answer... we'd have already eliminated wealth and ownership in the process of building such a powerful technological masterwork.

Im thinking droids from starwars is a more accurate depiction of AI for many many years into the future.

They can accomplish tasks, have personalities, but are just walking tools.

[Duik]

Id argue there are already enough "walking tools".

[Duik]

Mozart didnt invent notes or even music.
Einstien built on his predecessors works sure. But they did their apprenticeships to learn why it worked and built upon that.

I loosely follow another site discussing A.I powered programming. One poster said he knows zero about programming but built a html/scripting language app to do <the job he needed> now maybe it works. Maybe it was a simple app. But he knows not what is happening behind the scenes. He seems ok with that.
Without knowing stuff about things he may expose all sorts of exploits. Sql injections XSS etc.

Now, someone who didnt earn their knowledge who uses a powerful A.I to ask how do i make a bomb or a virulent virus to a certain demograghic.

Depending on its learning source, it might make this virus that attacks X gene (for example) cuz <that race> has it. Now imagine his suprise when he learns that many non <that race> have the same gene! Cuz ya know we came from a limited gene pool. If he knew stuff about things he may have detected this.
Leopards eating faces spring to mind.

Einstien and co questioned their use of the bomb they took part in making.
A.I and by extention the user asking the question will have no such limitations or conscience. Maybe not realising the full potential of the power unleashed.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mozart didnt invent notes or even music.

Sometimes I think the last genera of music to be invented was rap.

Maybe techno, but really that's just electro, which came right before rap.

At best we have sub genera's of rap/rock/electro

I also think it's crazy most of the different genera's of music are related to the guitar.

Like up until then it was piano and symphony.

I don't know much about music so I could be wrong but what if AI invents a new genera of music that'd be lit.

I loosely follow another site discussing A.I powered programming. One poster said he knows zero about programming but built a html/scripting language app to do <the job he needed> now maybe it works. Maybe it was a simple app. But he knows not what is happening behind the scenes. He seems ok with that.
Without knowing stuff about things he may expose all sorts of exploits. Sql injections XSS etc.

Ive definitely used it to learn something I was not able to do like coding to acomplish some things at work which blew me away.

Now, someone who didnt earn their knowledge who uses a powerful A.I to ask how do i make a bomb or a virulent virus to a certain demograghic.

I wonder sometimes if a kid can learn how to enrich plutonium and build a nuke with free information, how we're going to have to throttle information, which scares me a lot.

Like, what if an 8th grader is doing some quantum experiment 150 years form now and erases half of the universe.

Depending on its learning source, it might make this virus that attacks X gene (for example) cuz <that race> has it. Now imagine his suprise when he learns that many non <that race> have the same gene! Cuz ya know we came from a limited gene pool. If he knew stuff about things he may have detected this.
Leopards eating faces spring to mind.

Thats the plot to the last james bond movie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] real life is much more boring (covid) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Einstien and co questioned their use of the bomb they took part in making.
A.I and by extension the user asking the question will have no such limitations or conscience. Maybe not realizing the full potential of the power unleashed.

They did think that the bomb might ignite the atmosphere and kill everyone, which is not to different than super intelligence turning us all into batteries.

But I do agree that there are some major questions I think we're gonna have to ask ourselves as we take this next step into the future.

In Dune and Foundation they outlawed AI. I liked in Foundation they said that they killed all the AI and all the people that supported it lol I bet you'd love that one lol!!

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder sometimes if a kid can learn how to enrich plutonium and build a nuke with free information, how we're going to have to throttle information, which scares me a lot.

Like, what if an 8th grader is doing some quantum experiment 150 years form now and erases half of the universe.

LLMs only regurgitate information they've seen several dozen times before.

They aren't actually intelligent.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mozart didnt invent notes or even music.

Hey I googled it and you can too but anyway I found this

He refined and codified the classical piano concerto, much as Haydn did with the symphony and quartet. Orchestration-wise, he also made the clarinet a standard member of the symphonic woodwind section.

he also introduced the trombone more - used to great effect in Don Giovanni and The Requiem, for example.

Incremental progress is still progress. World more gooder.