Player Agreement: Rule Change at the DS Camp

[fortior]

I also love URN. Cross guild collaboration, makes the camp healthier, and all the farm crews + castle already do it to some extent anyway. It also doesn't remove content from the game, and allows people who actually play the game to earn a big quest reward. It also doesn't require a forums thread, PMs to CSR, even the discord bot has been open sourced.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also love URN. Cross guild collaboration, makes the camp healthier, and all the farm crews + castle already do it to some extent anyway. It also doesn't remove content from the game, and allows people who actually play the game to earn a big quest reward. It also doesn't require a forums thread, PMs to CSR, even the discord bot has been open sourced.

Awesome, that's great to hear. Yeah seems like URN might be a good direction to go in.

[Otsego]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Awesome, that's great to hear. Yeah seems like URN might be a good direction to go in.

100% agree

It has been a good solution on our end. Although I'm not 100% sure all the minor differences between their ruleset and ours.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Otsego [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

100% agree

It has been a good solution on our end. Although I'm not 100% sure all the minor differences between their ruleset and ours.

Excellent sounds like we are making some progress with a couple of you here. Here are their rules/setup:

Brool/Aedriel/Karuran — 01/24/2023 11:36 AM
Here is a list of the rules for the U.R.N Community. This is an evolving post that will continue to grow to best suit the groups needs. I reserve the right to make changes at any time in order to keep things fair if things get confusing. Always open to your input to make things better! Lets keep this channel comment free for clarity. Post ideas in member chat or msg me personally ��

1) To claim the camp and begin URNING dkp/hours you need to clear the pather plus Two golem. Be sure to remain active....especially if others are watching!
2) There is a maximum of 4 players that can be URNING dkp/hours at the camp at a time. In special cases, some additional members may be allowed for short overlaps or to secure a DS kill when the comp may not be ideal.
3) The person with the highest hours/dkp has loot rights to the Urn. If the group is full, the person with Urn rights may still come to camp to loot even though they might night be URNING dkp at that time. Ideally we can have a system where we can loot for people and MQ to them when they are not there, but for now.....it is best you are at the DS kill whenever possible.
4) Be kind to each other. This is often a long camp so use the opportunity to make connections. Do your best to be kind to opposing groups -- even if they don't particularly deserve it.
5) When camp is full, post in Camp Rep List to notify the group you are available. If there is less than 4 people at the camp, you are always welcome to join and start URNING.
6) Once you URN your URN your dkp/time drops to zero and you may start URNING more the next time the group secures camp. Everyone elses DKP carries over until everyone gets their URN.
7) You may use the URN as you please once you have URNED it. Use. Sell. Or Split amongst group. I will be working on different incentive systems for this as it is more complex.
8) Notifying people when you need a rep at camp is crucial, if you know you re going to leave, start looking for a rep within group whenever possible. Use "@Here" in member chat if there are not already people waiting in camp rep list.
9) On DS kill, you must be in voice, even if you are not able to speak. This is especially crucial with smaller groups 2-3 people, as she can kill quite easily with her dots. The last thing we want to do is camp it all day just to hand it over to someone.
10) Do not start the camp so early that we are unable to provide reps or reasonably hold camp. If that becomes an issue, you won't be awarded dkp/hours for that time. This is a tricky thing to balance as it depends on reasonable availability of group along with the start times of our competitors. Just be mindful that you re not taking advantage of this and just logging hours randomly.

[Duik]

Berbax.
You are such a sanctimonius arse.
You try to sound all benevolent and patient with those you believe to be below you (everyone).
Someone totally discredits your suggestion and you repeat the same dull witted faff and then thank them for their input. I mean really?
Put your submission forward. Let it stand on its own. Shut the hell up with the REPEATED same shit.

I look forward to you "Thanking me for my input" and repeating some twaddle about making it fair for all <yawn>, sorry.
So solo away. Kill any mobs you can. Rare drops in EQ suck. Poopsockers will win. The devs here dont care about your feelz. Nobody does. Didnt vote. You suck.

Jesus Haytch Christ.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Berbax.
You are such a sanctimonius arse.
You try to sound all benevolent and patient with those you believe to be below you (everyone).
Someone totally discredits your suggestion and you repeat the same dull witted faff and then thank them for their input. I mean really?
Put your submission forward. Let it stand on its own. Shut the hell up with the REPEATED same shit.

I look forward to you "Thanking me for my input" and repeating some twaddle about making it fair for all <yawn>, sorry.
So solo away. Kill any mobs you can. Rare drops in EQ suck. Poopsockers will win. The devs here dont care about your feelz. Nobody does. Didnt vote. You suck.

Jesus Haytch Christ.

Duik, I’m sorry you feel that way, but I don’t believe responding in a petulant or confrontational manner adds any value, or aids in my cause. My goal has been to engage constructively and focus on solutions that benefit everyone. If that approach doesn’t resonate with you, that’s fine, but resorting to insults isn’t going to improve anything. Take care.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Duik, I’m sorry you feel that way, but I don’t believe responding in a petulant or confrontational manner adds any value, or aids in my cause. My goal has been to engage constructively and focus on solutions that benefit everyone. If that approach doesn’t resonate with you, that’s fine, but resorting to insults isn’t going to improve anything. Take care.

You continuosly reapeat the same droll time and again. The same thing time and again. Same. Same.
The same thing again, this time with a "you are wrong and this is why" followed by a "im just trying to remove the rampant toxicity for the good of the mental health of the server".
The people who camp items 24/7 turns out its not. They share the load because they have community contact. You are clearly not part of that. Seems to me you need to get over it or become part of the greater whole.

TL;DR
Nobody has to let you solo anything. Soloing is just that. Solo. Canny do yaself? Suckit. As an aside, I have no dog in this race as I know i cant spend literal hours online awaiting a <insert mob here> to spawn.
Deal with it.

[fortior]

Nobody with any form of social antenna is gonna say the discord post and the private tells read the same way. As usual, real progress will be made in-game by people with large networks who just decide to do something instead of wannabe-soloists running to staff to get their way.

[Elizondo]

Has DSM posted in this thread yet?

[magicfest2]

Despite being direct competition, I think Otsego and I are essentially on the same page here. The conversation here is going to be forever circular because most of us on the thread are addressing what we thought the OP’s goal was, but his actual goal is essentially some other thing that I can’t quite define. If the goal is to get players urns directly and not have a ton of resellers making plat off people who are actually trying to gear their characters, then we’re already doing fine. The “GG group” (again, not just GG membership, just a group of people who want urns and were tired of the Big Urn monopoly) created their own system and banded together and got a bunch of urns for people who had never had access to the camp before. Castle is doing the same and huge respect to them! It is so much healthier to do it in a group like this than try to solo. All of the talk about it being unhealthy is literally just when you try it like OP did for solo artist, which is literally a player defined self challenge mode for the game that is totally optional.

Summarizing, a ton of new players have gotten urns in the past six months or so and farming for resale has almost totally stopped. This is supposedly exactly what OP wants, except “no, not those people, OTHER people in the server”. Who exactly? The real goal appears to just be about the selection of who gets their urns, because apparently they aren’t being distributed the way he prefers. What is the difference between players A-L getting their first urn and players M-Q or K/P/S/Q/X/Z? The number of urns is not changing, and anyone who wants to can put in effort with some friends and join up. URN from blue seems fine too, and all it takes is literally the same thing we did, just organize some folks to do it!