Do you consider torpor to be truly classic?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All these people guessing at basic game mechanics badly that have been unchanged for 12 years on p99, discussing game mechanics....

No wonder. Where's the chat GPT dude who just posts fake memory shit from p99, he's more reliable in a technical discussion.

I only meant to point out torpor griefing, Judgey. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Zuranthium]

Torpor isn't classic in the sense that far less people had the spell back then, barely anyone before Velious.

Clerics were considered to be the "Holy Trinity" of grouping (Tank + Enchanter + Cleric) because they all had Complete Heal for the tank, whereas Shaman were mostly just working with Superior Healing, or eventually Chloroblast during Velious.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torpor isn't classic in the sense that far less people had the spell back then, barely anyone before Velious.

Clerics were considered to be the "Holy Trinity" of grouping (Tank + Enchanter + Cleric) because they all had Complete Heal for the tank, whereas Shaman were mostly just working with Superior Healing, or eventually Chloroblast during Velious.

yeah people seem to forget this point about p99. shit wasnt perma farmed on most servers back in the day. Nobody was able to kill Avatar of War on E'Ci until Luclin. Vox and Naggy stayed up for days at a time during velious because the raiding guilds didnt have level 52 toons they kept for farming white dragon scales. most people only had one toon, or at least one toon that was raid-ready.

and people did not farm sebilite juggernauts, guardian wurms, or the other Kunark targets that drop spells. On p99 green - sebilite protector dies just about every 8 hours, and has died every 8 hours for the last 2+ years. there's currently 5-6 sellers of Torpor in the tunnel on green as we speak.

people didnt truly grasp the power of classes like Enchanter, Shaman, Necromancer and Bard in 1999-2001. At least, the majority of players didnt.

[Dolalin]

I put together a spreadsheet from all the historical spdats I found that track spell changes over time. You can take a look and filter the spreadsheet for Torpor to see how it changed over time.

https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archi...AT%20Data.xlsx

[Dolalin]

Here is how Torpor changed over time.

It had no mana drain in Kunark beta, but one was added in the April 2000 spdat, and it remained until the Nov 17th 2000 patch.

[loramin]

So Mages (a weak class) don't even get their basic spells at launch, but Shaman (we just had a whole thread about them being the best class in the game) get their most over-powered spell extra over-powered for half a year?

Classic EQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Mages (a weak class) don't even get their basic spells at launch, but Shaman (we just had a whole thread about them being the best class in the game) get their most over-powered spell extra over-powered for half a year?

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In before “spdat files are just descriptions which often didn’t line up with how spells actually worked server side and if anything torpor was actually even more powerful on live during this era”.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman get their most over-powered spell extra over-powered for half a year?

Torpor was far less powerful for half a year, making the target lose 50 mana per tick. The archived spell description and user comments on Caster's Realm and other sites also state this.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Torpor was far less powerful for half a year, making the target lose 50 mana per tick. The archived spell description and user comments on Caster's Realm and other sites also state this.

It doesn’t say per tick in the screenshot. Did the data file mismatch the implementation?

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn’t say per tick in the screenshot. Did the data file mismatch the implementation?

There are several message board posts about Torpor costing 400 mana to use on yourself, the only way that makes sense is if Torpor was -50 mana per tick, and there's no other logical reason why anyone would be trying to say it costs 400.