Best 4 person all melee/hybrid group

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best all-around:

bard
rogue
paladin
monk / ranger (if ranger has both epics would be pretty sweet for slows but until then monk is miles better)

Sure, the bard can interrupt casters but having a pally for dedicated stuns will help with the biggest potential problem: eating nukes that chunk HP pools.

Bard, rogue, paladin really can't be replaced. If you're trying to do big targets you're gonna need a soulfire and rogue dps...and the snap aggro enables the rogue to go HAM right out of the gate on every XP mob.

Now, if you're going a self-found route...its 100% naked monks + bard. But ain't nobody tryna do that in 2024.

/thread, pack it up boys before DSM's military-grade autism kicks in.

I find myself in broad agreement with this take the more I think about it. PAL/BRD/ROG for sure and then the difficult choice between Ranger and Monk. And obviously Monks bring a ton to the table in this era, but the Ranger does too. There's definitely a lot of overlap with the Bard toolkit (i.e. snares, regen, tracking, DS, slows), but having the Ranger available cover some of those duties frees up the Bard to focus on other more important shit like staying on top of mezzes, charms, DS, haste, etc... And at 60 with CoTP on the RNG/ROG/PAL, you've probably erased the Monk's DPS advantage. So at that point the Monk is really just bringing FD pulling, which with the substantial tools that PAL/BRD/RNG bring to bear for pulling, you aren't going to miss in the vast majority of circumstances.

[Jimjam]

Bard for aoe kite and 3x SK for Word of Spirit spam.

860dps from Word of Spirit. 600 dps from earthshaker proc (melee damage not accounted for).

Sell 50s pl, buy loot rights from the enc/cleric group.

[Penish]

still surprised the water boy hasnt chimed in

[Duik]

Originally Posted by Penish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

still surprised the water boy hasnt chimed in

Still trying to shoehorn an SK into the group.
Prolly headed to party supplies store for more napkins.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prolly headed to party supplies store for more napkins.

/chortle

[Vexenu]

It's interesting to consider the tradeoff of subbing a Ranger in over the Monk or Rogue. Is the benefit of the Ranger slow proc worth sacrificing the raw DPS of the Rogue and the numerous benefits of the Monk? It's an extra 20% over Bard slow, and the Bard would obviously rather be playing something else. So... Maybe?? But then who do you drop for the Ranger? The Monk or Rogue? With three solid pullers in Pal/Brd/Rng, you can probably get by without FD. So I'd lean toward the Rogue.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's interesting to consider the tradeoff of subbing a Ranger in over the Monk or Rogue. Is the benefit of the Ranger slow proc worth sacrificing the raw DPS of the Rogue and the numerous benefits of the Monk? It's an extra 20% over Bard slow, and the Bard would obviously rather be playing something else. So... Maybe?? But then who do you drop for the Ranger? The Monk or Rogue? With three solid pullers in Pal/Brd/Rng, you can probably get by without FD. So I'd lean toward the Rogue.

Ranger also adds +13hp/tick/character, a truck load of attack and some more ac.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

. Is the benefit of the Ranger slow proc worth sacrificing the raw DPS of the Rogue and the numerous benefits of the Monk?.

You guys keep bringing up Ranger slows … which are procs and unreliable.

Have you forgotten that bards can slow things on demand? The slow may be less than 50% but it can be applied from the very start. Bard ripping aggro isn’t really a problem anymore after the song aggro nerf

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys keep bringing up Ranger slows … which are procs and unreliable.

Have you forgotten that bards can slow things on demand? The slow may be less than 50% but it can be applied from the very start. Bard ripping aggro isn’t really a problem anymore after the song aggro nerf

bard initial slow is ofc good when you dont have a direct healer, but ill take the 50% eventually, especially on bigger mobs

[Toxigen]

Best off meta trio I ever experienced was bard / monk / rogue (all epic / fungi). We were all about level 56/57 or so and trio'd slabs in the hole. We never had a single second of downtime for a few hours.

Was insane xp.

So yeah, throw a paladin in there and you'd prob make less xp/hour while leveling but would add immense horsepower for killing beefier targets.