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The Cleric can't solo, so you'd lose a camp because the Cleric would need to be stapled to an Enchanter, and Enchanters can solo without the Cleric. The Cleric wouldn't be doing too much in this forced pairing most of the time. The Shaman and Enchanter can pair up if an Enchanter needs help with something. Wizard can move the pocket Cleric and/or Mage around when needed. Can you actually name a target that a Cleric/Enchanter/Enchanter team could do that a Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter team could not do?
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 06-19-2024 at 10:22 AM..
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Nobody is giving up cleric for shaman in this setup. Complete heal for pets, multiple lines of stuns to include aoe stun, rez, DA, powerful emergency heals …
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Plenty of people are fine with dropping the Cleric. Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is an extremely powerful trio. No Cleric needed as a main character. Pocket Cleric is more than capable of handling the occasional res and pet CH.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 06-19-2024 at 12:24 PM..
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#Im-a-shaman
#I-cant-complete-heal #i can’t cast rez #my-best-heal (torpor and requires 60) is also a slow #i cannot cast stun #my fast heal sucks compared to a cleric #Awww shamans need not apply … Awww fuck I do not fit into this very narrow theoretical best 4 person all caster group … #SadSilkyMist
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He is also unable to acknowledge that pocket Clerics are common practice, because people recognize you don't need a Cleric main in your group for reses. Necromancers can res as well. Troxx doesn't understand the Shaman can tank the mob and Torpor themselves, which means the pets are not slowed, and not taking damage. This also allows the pets to do more damage via hitting the mob from behind. The Shaman can buff the pets too. Thank you for conceding that you are unable to explain why you think a Cleric is better than a Shaman in this group. You wouldn't be trolling if this was easy for you to explain. Remember that Troxx is an admitted troll, and thus we cannot simply take his word for anything: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=114 Quote:
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For example, I actually think Derakor the Vindicator is doable by Cleric/Enchanter/Enchanter/Druid, and he's very clearly not doable by Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Druid. But that's right at the bleeding edge of what's possible, I don't think anyone has actually done that before. There's some other stuff I can think of that might qualify, but some of them are pretty scary for a 4 man. I think you might be able to do HoT minis with charmed hatchlings, but the pull and setup would be some crazy nonsense. If you can get Essedera pulled somehow (quad mage run in and back up to train out to west, maybe?) then I think you can have a cleric do a picture room trainout with brazier pet and gate to ToV entrance on tag. I think cleric CH on charmed pets can stay ahead of incoming damage once slowed, but I don't think torpor can. I've heard Sleeper's Tomb trash clears leverage clerics well because charmed pets have like 30k hp, but I don't have a key so I'm not sure about details there. Neb, maybe. He does like 700 dps while hasted, so probably 100 or so slowed? Probably too much for just Torp, but likely ok for CH. Edit: Maybe Vaniki? Hits a little harder than Neb, but not a lot. Might be able to do with Cleric/Ench/Ench/Magician? There's probably more, but those are the things that come to mind.
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Last edited by 7thGate; 06-19-2024 at 09:48 PM..
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My assumption going into this thread has always been a relatively "normal" group. They'd do the obvious money camps like Fungi King, maybe go into Hate if they are feeling courageous. Doing a low man Vindi is awesome, but not worth the time/effort/guild competition for most players. Vindi BP is like 100k, but it would be easier to just get and sell a few Fungis. This is more of a "because it's awesome!" kill, rather than a normal thing a group would be doing. Once you are at the point where you are trying to low-man vindi, you probably aren't restricting yourself in terms of group size and classes. You'll do whatever it takes to get the job done.
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I think the clearest case for me is Chardok Overking. Duoable but rough for ench+cleric. I don't think it's slowable or shaman self heal tankable. I did have a pretty good experience duoing a round of puppets ench/shaman with the shaman torp tanking, would do it again given we have a pocket cleric available. | |||
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