Vulak Axe vs. Tunare Sword

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Dundrige [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do a lot of mobs resist the proc from the Tunare sword? I've heard that, but is it resisted anymore than a standard paladin root would be?

i dont have issues with resists unless the mob is flagged for it

[Dundrige]

And does weapon AC count as shield AC?

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Dundrige [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And does weapon AC count as shield AC?

some weapons yes, in this case both tuna and vulak do

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some weapons yes, in this case both tuna and vulak do

How do you know this?

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Balimon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you know this?

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[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Balimon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you know this?

I use a tuna sword and ac goes up by 67ish I'm not at my PC, same with vulak on my fellow nerd friends goes up by 120ish. It's not hard to see

[Solist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I use a tuna sword and ac goes up by 67ish I'm not at my PC, same with vulak on my fellow nerd friends goes up by 120ish. It's not hard to see

Thats not how shield AC works broski.

There is a worn item AC 'cap' in which returns on mitigation AC diminish above that cap. Shields are in addition to this worn AC cap. As far as I'm aware nothing that is a weapon adds mitigation AC at the full rate of return.

That said, returns on AC above the worn AC cap are still ridiculously strong for most classes so it's always better to stack it anyway.

300 worn AC soft cap for a paladin, so anything above that you add up on each item is adding 34% of the effective mitigation AC. But the displayed number is still the same. So if you were naked and put a vulak axe on, you get the full benefit of the 80AC. If you're geared above 300 worn AC, you get the effect of 27AC. A 50AC shield however would give you 50AC.

Distinguishing what offhand items are shields is harder, the bash test is one way.

I also don't know if the tunare sword of vulak axe are shields either, they very well might be. Would take an hour or so either way to parse. By being above worn cap with a couple of items removed, and tanking something with vulak axe, then adding 80AC from something else like statue breastplate and vulak ear and removing axe. Should get identical results. 27 to 80AC is a fairly big difference and would show up on a cliff golem or something without having to endure hours of clicking a hosh staff on someone.

TLDR: Your displayed AC number is just a number, does not reflect whats going on behind the scenes. It always displays the worn AC amount+defense modifier regardless of if it's above or below a class cap.

[Solist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some weapons yes, in this case both tuna and vulak do

You know what Mr Atridgemonthigh, I'm not confident on this statement. I'd love to test it but I don't have a toon with either or I would.

Would definitely be interesting to find out for sure, but it also doesn't matter that much considering all classes that can use scale infinitely with AC regardless of a worn AC cap, the numbers just keep going up anyway.

[spoil]

In most ancient cultures, the sword was a much higher status symbol than the axe. Hopefully that helps.

[Snaggles]

It doesn’t matter, nothing a knight tanks people stop and say “hmm mitigation is a concern”.

I put a shield on to look like I’m trying hard.