Is this ninja looting or at least against the rules?

[fortior]

No, the rules are extremely clear cut and simple. You can only freely loot corpses that belong to you, rest is at your own peril.

They're not banning a new player for looting a fine steel sword off some guard's corpse. OP is not telling the entire story.

[Seducio]

Huh? Nobody is talking about fine steel in this thread.

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? Nobody is talking about fine steel in this thread.

[eqravenprince]

There are 2 minutes to loot a corpse before it becomes a free for all to loot. If the Devs didn't want anyone else looting, then that's a simple code change.

[enjchanter]

Originally Posted by Archemil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A player kills a quest NPC, logs off to get an Alt to loot it. While logged off another player comes across the dead NPC and has no idea what is going on and loots the NPC.

Player who looted gets banned. This doesn't seem right to me.

yes he should get banned
if you didnt kill the mob you have absolutely zero rights to loot that mob without asking

[Seducio]

Can you see the situation from the other side of the perspective enj?

You are right that the rules as stated don't give the other player any loot rights compared with who got the kill.

Are you telling me though as a young scrub you never came across a corpse with seeming nobody around and were like hmmm. It's a learning lesson for OP. Unless they changed the rules from years back, shouldn't be a full ban. Wielding the ban hammer indiscriminately on a server with a population that has been shrinking may have deleterious long term effects on server popularity.

[fortior]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you see the situation from the other side of the perspective enj?

You are right that the rules as stated don't give the other player any loot rights compared with who got the kill.

Are you telling me though as a young scrub you never came across a corpse with seeming nobody around and were like hmmm. It's a learning lesson for OP. Unless they changed the rules from years back, shouldn't be a full ban. Wielding the ban hammer indiscriminately on a server with a population that has been shrinking may have deleterious long term effects on server popularity.

This didn't happen. The GMs don't mercilessly ban just for some newbie looting a random item. My money's on difficult to get nodrop quest piece and OP talking back instead of admitting fault

You seriously still fall for people making threads and not telling the entire story? Lol.

[Mantard]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This didn't happen. The GMs don't mercilessly ban just for some newbie looting a random item. My money's on difficult to get nodrop quest piece and OP talking back instead of admitting fault

You seriously still fall for people making threads and not telling the entire story? Lol.

100%

For all we knew OP lootlocked the corpse when he saw the person swap characters, tried to extort him/her and then looted the no-drop quest-specific item to the class that he wasn't when he wasn't paid off, shouting "LOL LOSER!!!" before /q.

I doubt someone looting something on accident in good faith would get banned. If they do, that's a serious problem. But the issue here is good-faith and noob then, and not the looting. I personally don't like the idea that random bodies are potential bans though. People don't loot bodies sometimes and as a noob pocket change is life changing.

But no one would just lie online.

[enjchanter]

Originally Posted by Seducio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you see the situation from the other side of the perspective enj?

You are right that the rules as stated don't give the other player any loot rights compared with who got the kill.

Are you telling me though as a young scrub you never came across a corpse with seeming nobody around and were like hmmm. It's a learning lesson for OP. Unless they changed the rules from years back, shouldn't be a full ban. Wielding the ban hammer indiscriminately on a server with a population that has been shrinking may have deleterious long term effects on server popularity.

I mean I've had ppl in pom ninja loot my cards while I swap toons. Luckily they were the only other person in zone so it was obvious who took it.

In my situation, how's that fair to me that someone can just walk up to my mobs corpse while I'm swapping, see no one around, take my item, then gate out leaving me with nothing.

[WarpathEQ]

Since most of these conversations rely on opinion and not fact I'm going to start by posting the actual rule regarding this as it is written. Everything else is open to interpretation.

4. You may not Ninja Loot.
Ninja looting defined is when a player, disregarding the players or player who killed a mob, loots an item that is generally regarded as significant or valuable from the mob they did not kill. This is strictly prohibited and will result in removal of the item(s) and any appropriate disciplinary action.

As written, like most rules, its vague and requires a bit of judgement to determine the appropriate course of action.

My viewpoints on the topic are as follows:

A lot of content is looked at as raid content or non-raid content. AKA can a group of people kill the mob or does it take multiple groups and coordination to kill.

Non-Raid Content
There is a 2 minute timer (minimum) that locks the corpse. Anyone that killed the mob is fully capable of looting the corpse in 2 minutes or less. Beyond that the corpse is open for anyone to loot. You should have no issues looting a corpse at that point, especially if nobody is around. If there is someone standing right on top of the corpse or nearby its good etiquette to ask first and if they are clearly on top of the mob trying to loot it then just back off.

For those of you talking about switching toons, if it takes you more than 2 minutes and someone loots the corpse well it sucks to suck, it takes 30 seconds or less to switch toons I've never had a corpse unlocked by the time I get back to it on the other toon, not once, never. If I walk up on an open corpse with nobody around I'm looting it 100% of the time.

Raid Content
100% of the time you loot a raid mob that you didn't kill it will be an issue, unless you receive permission first. These mobs inherently require more than one group therefore the loot typically CANNOT be properly looted off the corpse until the timer expires and the rightful winner of the loot, who likely didn't get the exp and had to wait out the timer, can actually loot it.

Also keep in mind, what happened is only the start. If someone petitions and a GM/CSR gets involved always be truthful and honest. If you did something you think was right and the CSR determines a different outcome the more than likely they just move the loot and thats the end of it. If you are dishonest or un-cooperative you are taking the future of your account out of your own hands. Its typically the extra curriculurs that get people banned, not a single error in judgement. Especially when the rules you're goverened by are written so vaguely.